From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1758095AbYDAQ2V (ORCPT ); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:28:21 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1754794AbYDAQ2N (ORCPT ); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:28:13 -0400 Received: from terminus.zytor.com ([198.137.202.10]:48313 "EHLO terminus.zytor.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752805AbYDAQ2M (ORCPT ); Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:28:12 -0400 Message-ID: <47F26278.5070009@zytor.com> Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:27:36 -0700 From: "H. Peter Anvin" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080226) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Artem Bityutskiy CC: Andi Kleen , Tomasz Chmielewski , LKML , penberg@cs.helsinki.fi, =?UTF-8?B?SsO2cm4gRW5nZWw=?= , ext-adrian.hunter@nokia.com, jwboyer@gmail.com Subject: Re: UBIFS vs Logfs (was [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system) References: <47F1EC20.6050600@wpkg.org> <47F1F644.4060000@yandex.ru> <878wzx25s7.fsf@basil.nowhere.org> <47F21B47.4000206@yandex.ru> In-Reply-To: <47F21B47.4000206@yandex.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Artem Bityutskiy wrote: > Andi Kleen wrote: >> Artem Bityutskiy writes: >> >>> Tomasz Chmielewski wrote: >>>> For me, the motivators to wait for LogFS are mainly the facts that it >>>> can work on traditional block devices, and not only on pure flash: >>> Sorry Thomasz, for me this makes zero sense. There are _much_ better >>> file >>> systems for block devices. >> >> I think he refers to flash disks appearing as block devices, like >> usb sticks or similar. > > Right, I also meant that in my opinion it makes more sense to use > traditional > file-systems like ext3 on USB-key/MMC and the like stuff (which I > confusingly > referred as "block devices"), or may be something more "heavy-weight" like > XFS or JFS (never tried them, though). > Well, even auto-levelling storage should benefit from a filesystem which minimizes the total number of flash sectors churned, which means doing as few writes as possible and to large, contiguous sections. -hpa