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From: Jean-Christian de Rivaz <jc@eclis.ch>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: git annoyances
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:08:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47FDAEEF.3090004@eclis.ch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7vfxtu3fku.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org>

Junio C Hamano a écrit :
> That made us allowing the users to type "git pull" and "git fetch" without
> parameters.  This is generally a good thing: shorter to type for doing
> common things is always good, as long as the user knows what he is doing.
> 
> But at the same time, this allowed docs and cheat-sheets that mention only
> the form without parameters and not the normative "repository refspec"
> form.  This dumbed down the users not understand that in that context
> fetch (and pull, which is a fetch followed by a merge) is always happening
> against a single branch of single remote repository, the way to name
> remote repository and its branch(es) is to give them as separate
> parameters, and their not typing the pair explicitly is a mere convenience
> feature.  This particular aspect of the shorthand is actually very bad.
> It makes the mental model fuzzy, and hiding important rules of how the
> world works from new people would lead them to unnecessary confusion.  In
> short, we made it harder for the new people to "get" it.

A possible way it to, by default, make git print the full form of the 
command when a short form is used. So the user see the concept without 
having to read the documentation and learn it gradually. I personally 
like tools that act this way. It permit to make a basic and easy 
tutorial with short commands that let know the general concept and show 
the full potential of the tool.

A "short form" flag in a user (not repository) configuration file should 
allow to suppress the long form printout for the comfort of the users 
that don't want it.

--
Jean-Christian de Rivaz

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-04-10  6:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-09 10:14 git annoyances Ingo Molnar
2008-04-09 10:41 ` Björn Steinbrink
2008-04-09 14:57 ` Jeff King
2008-04-09 15:15   ` [PATCH] git-remote: show all remotes with "git remote show" Jeff King
2008-04-09 16:54     ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-04-10 10:56       ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-09 20:07     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-10 19:59     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-09 17:08   ` git annoyances Avery Pennarun
2008-04-10  8:41     ` Karl Hasselström
2008-04-10 15:05       ` Avery Pennarun
2008-04-11  7:00         ` Karl Hasselström
2008-04-09 20:08   ` Friendly refspecs (Was: Re: git annoyances) Teemu Likonen
2008-04-09 20:32     ` Avery Pennarun
2008-04-09 20:34     ` Jeff King
2008-04-09 22:25       ` Teemu Likonen
2008-04-09 22:51         ` Jeff King
2008-04-10  0:03           ` Jeff King
2008-04-10  0:11             ` Jeff King
2008-04-10  7:51               ` Friendly refspecs Junio C Hamano
2008-04-10  8:03                 ` Jeff King
     [not found]           ` <bd6139dc0804091616k53f4e0c1sf75aa9585c5a54c5@mail.gmail.com>
2008-04-10  0:33             ` Friendly refspecs (Was: Re: git annoyances) Jeff King
2008-04-10  7:58               ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-13  9:31           ` Friendly refspecs Teemu Likonen
2008-04-13  9:34             ` [PATCH] Add examples section to 'git fetch' manual Teemu Likonen
2008-04-13 18:56               ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-13 19:48                 ` Matt Graham
2008-04-13 20:05                 ` Teemu Likonen
2008-04-14  1:02                   ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-16  3:48             ` Friendly refspecs Jeff King
2008-04-16  4:25               ` Jeff King
2008-04-16  4:41               ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-16  4:47                 ` Jeff King
2008-04-16 15:42               ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-04-16 20:03                 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-22 10:56                   ` Jeff King
2008-04-22 16:52                     ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-22 17:19                       ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-04-22 20:12                         ` Jeff King
2008-04-22 20:05                       ` Jeff King
2008-04-22 20:45                         ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-22 21:52                           ` Jeff King
2008-04-23  4:24                           ` Teemu Likonen
2008-04-23  5:52                             ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-23  6:24                               ` Andreas Ericsson
2008-04-23  9:16                               ` Jeff King
2008-04-23  9:21                                 ` Jeff King
2008-04-23 11:15                                   ` Teemu Likonen
2008-04-09 21:21     ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-10  7:38       ` Teemu Likonen
2008-04-12 18:59   ` git annoyances Santiago Gala
2008-04-09 19:21 ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-04-09 20:41   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-10 14:08     ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-04-09 21:04 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-09 21:39   ` Jon Loeliger
2008-04-09 23:45     ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-04-09 21:45   ` Jeff King
2008-04-09 23:56   ` André Goddard Rosa
2008-04-10 19:45     ` Govind Salinas
2008-04-10  6:08   ` Jean-Christian de Rivaz [this message]
2008-04-10  8:19     ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-10 11:47 ` git-bisect annoyances Ingo Molnar
2008-04-11  5:41   ` Christian Couder
2008-04-11 11:41     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-12  6:56       ` Christian Couder
2008-04-11  5:56   ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-10 23:25 ` [PATCH] When a remote is added but not fetched, tell the user Gabriel
2008-04-11 15:21   ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-04-11 18:35     ` Gabriel
2008-04-11 18:39       ` [PATCH] Default to fetching a remote after adding it Gabriel
2008-04-11 19:17         ` Stephen Sinclair
2008-04-12 14:33         ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-04-12 15:13           ` Gabriel
2008-04-12 15:24             ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-04-11 19:08       ` [PATCH] When a remote is added but not fetched, tell the user Teemu Likonen
2008-04-11 21:39         ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-11 22:35           ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-11 23:15             ` Junio C Hamano
2008-04-11 23:20               ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-15  3:15         ` Miles Bader
2008-04-11 19:29       ` [PATCH] Default to fetching a remote after adding it Gabriel
2008-04-11 19:36         ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-04-11 19:46           ` Gabriel
2008-04-11 10:15 ` git annoyances Luciano Rocha
2008-04-11 10:27   ` Wincent Colaiuta

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