From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: James Courtier-Dutton Subject: Re: What does 0dB refer to? (Logitech USB Speakers) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:39:05 +0100 Message-ID: <4807B569.6000008@superbug.co.uk> References: <20080411204610.GA32413@tango.0pointer.de> <20080414172839.GA26513@tango.0pointer.de> <4803C78A.3020109@superbug.co.uk> <200804150552.13578.faber@faberman.de> <20080415131203.GA2818@localhost> <4804BCB8.9060707@keyaccess.nl> <48060D2F.2000701@keyaccess.nl> <480618F3.40707@keyaccess.nl> <48061D1F.6060809@keyaccess.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by alsa0.perex.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F57F2447F for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:39:07 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <48061D1F.6060809@keyaccess.nl> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: alsa-devel-bounces@alsa-project.org Errors-To: alsa-devel-bounces@alsa-project.org To: Rene Herman Cc: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org List-Id: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org Rene Herman wrote: > On 16-04-08 17:19, Rene Herman wrote: > > For now last time that I reply to myself (promise): > >> On 16-04-08 16:29, Rene Herman wrote: >> >>> On 15-04-08 16:33, Rene Herman wrote: > >>> On that note, I just acquired an Audigy 2 (SB0240) that I'm testing >>> with and now that I'm paying attention to it due to this thread -- >>> its 0 dB setting is very significantly louder (with everything behind >>> the line-out constant ofcourse) than the 0 dB setting on my TerraTec >>> DMX. >>> >>> James, I believe you are the emu10k1 person? Data: >>> >>> TerraTec DMX = ESS Canyon3D (ES1970MS-3D) + Sigmatel STAC9704T >>> >>> Creative Audigy 2 (SB0240) = Creative CA0102-ICT + Sigmatel STAC9721T >>> (+ Crystal CS4382-KQ which seems to provide digital attenuation as well) >>> >>> At 0 dB master the Audigy 2 is much louder than the DMX is and >>> audibly distorts. Judging by hearing, keeping the master at -16 dB >>> (60 in the integer scale) gets things about the same. Was that scale >>> provided by datasheet or just guessed? Especially the distortion >>> would seem to indicate that something is actually doing analogue >>> amplification at the 0 dB ALSA setting... >> >> Expanding, with the 'Line' control at 0 dB (74 integer) and 'Analog >> Mix' at 0 dB (100 integer) everything does sound right with both >> 'Master Capture' and 'Master' at full, and too faint with 'Master' at >> -16 dB. I guess this indicates that it's something at the DSP side >> only? (sort of loosing my way in this bewildering array of controls so >> if I need to be guided to possibly say sensible things -- please do) > > When I do actually capture, -16 dB master is again the correct setting > when playing back (with everything else still set to 0 dB as described > above). It's then equally load as when directly monitored during > recording. I expect then the Master dB scale needs to be adjusted down? > If yes, I'll try to make very, very sure that -16 dB now is the correct > new 0 dB. > > Rene. Can we narrow this down a bit please. Run speaker-test -c2 -twav Do the test to each sound card with alsamixer set to 0dB for most controls accept the master, and leave the master at a sensible setting for your setup so that you can hear sound at a sensible level With the same dB values on the Andigy 2 and DMX, do you get the same loudness of sound output to the speakers? I would like to find out if the problem is in the playback path, or the capture path. James