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From: Paul Fulghum <paulkf@microgate.com>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: khc@pm.waw.pl, jchapman@katalix.com, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, jeff@garzik.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:52:57 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <480E7A59.6050802@microgate.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080422.150259.205494753.davem@davemloft.net>

David Miller wrote:
 > Users say this to strong-hand developers, it's not something you
 > should ever take very seriously.  And even if Linux may simply not be
 > for them, well that's fine too, and implementing something as obscure
 > as HDLC PPP one way or the other is not going to change that.

Certainly not a big deal for Linux, but more
significant for vendors of HDLC hardware :-)

David Miller wrote:
 > I would have been more than happy if syncppp was retained and fixed
 > properly, instead of being abandoned and duplicated in one fell swoop.

I'd be happy with that also. I was responding to the
suggestion of merging generic HDLC PPP with the pppd implementation.
It's been suggested before, but doing so looks messy.

James Chapman wrote:
 > Paul Fulghum wrote:
 >> Many customers who choose to use generic HDLC PPP are *dead*
 >> set against the added complexity and (user space)
 >> components of using pppd even though it has more features.
 >
 > Are there technical reasons or is the complexity just a lack of
 > familiarity?

 From what I can tell it was an existing investment in scripts,
training, tools, naming conventions, etc. Even when
provided with new tools and scripts that do the same thing (as
far as I could tell) the response was suprisingly vehement against
change.

--
Paul


  reply	other threads:[~2008-04-22 23:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-12 18:21 WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-12 18:30 ` [PATCH] " Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-12 18:52   ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-03-12 19:25     ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-12 19:38   ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-03-12 20:10     ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-12 22:12       ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-03-14 14:16       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2] " Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-25 14:39   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-25 14:55     ` Jeff Garzik
2008-03-25 15:50       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-26 23:05       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-25 23:14     ` David Miller
2008-03-26 15:01       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-04-11 21:35     ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-04-12  5:14       ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-12  8:10         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-04-12  8:50           ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-12 19:25             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-04-12 10:59           ` Alan Cox
2008-04-12 20:19             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-04-14 19:16               ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
2008-04-14 21:09                 ` David Miller
2008-04-18 15:58               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-04-18 22:32                 ` David Miller
2008-04-21 15:30                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-04-21 19:31                     ` James Chapman
2008-04-22 19:06                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-04-22 21:46                         ` Paul Fulghum
2008-04-22 20:50                           ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-22 22:05                             ` David Miller
2008-04-23 17:02                               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-04-23 22:49                                 ` David Miller
2008-04-24  0:48                                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-04-24  1:08                                     ` David Miller
2008-04-24 13:12                                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-04-24 13:30                                         ` David Miller
2008-04-24 13:39                                           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-04-24 13:55                                             ` David Miller
2008-04-24 20:46                                               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-04-24 20:44                                                 ` Alan Cox
2008-04-25 11:10                                                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-05-12 10:32                                                   ` David Miller
2008-05-14 12:45                                                     ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-05-19 17:00                                                       ` [PATCH] WAN: protect HDLC proto list while insmod/rmmod Krzysztof Halasa
2008-05-19 21:06                                                         ` David Miller
2008-05-22 10:27                                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-14 16:17                                                     ` [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC Krzysztof Halasa
2008-04-24 20:50                                                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-04-22 22:23                             ` James Chapman
2008-04-22 22:51                               ` David Miller
2008-04-22 22:02                           ` David Miller
2008-04-22 23:52                             ` Paul Fulghum [this message]
2008-04-12  9:12   ` Jeff Garzik

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