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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Jiri Slaby <jirislaby@gmail.com>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	zdenek.kabelac@gmail.com, rjw@sisk.pl,
	paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, herbert@gondor.apana.org.au,
	penberg@cs.helsinki.fi, clameter@sgi.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, pageexec@freemail.hu
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] x86: fix text_poke
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:01:01 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48163B0D.9000700@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <481639D2.7040306@goop.org>

Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
> Ingo Molnar wrote:
>> And once we accept the static markers, we might as well make them as 
>> cheap as possible.
> 
> Sure, so long as you take "as cheap as possible" to mean cheap in both 
> implementation complexity as well as runtime cost.
> 
> I don't have any specific objections to any of the stuff that Mathieu is 
> working on, but it does worry me that each time a problem is addressed 
> it ends up being an even more subtle piece of code.  I just haven't seen 
> enough concrete justification to make me feel comfortable with it all.
> 
> It seems to me that a relatively simple implementation which allows the 
> desired tracing/marking functionality is the first step.  If that proves 
> to cause a significant performance deficit then enabled then we can work 
> out how to address it in due course.  But doing it all at once before 
> merging anything seems like overkill, particularly when we're talking 
> about specifics of gcc's codegen patterns, disassembling code fragments, 
> etc.
> 

I really feel that the latest information that has come up has indicated 
that things are really not what they should be.  They are in line, have 
a substantial probe cost, and we're messing around with how to jump 
around them.

That's not the problem.

I maintain what I said before: a call instruction (which defaults to a 
NOP), and then extract the state based on debugging info or assembler 
annotations.

As far as patchable static jumps, I can see the utility of them, but I 
don't think this project is one of them.  However, I believe the right 
way to do them is via compiler support.

	-hpa

  reply	other threads:[~2008-04-28 21:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 211+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-19 13:22 2.6.25-git1: Solid hang on HP nx6325 (64-bit) Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-20 19:04 ` 2.6.25-git2: BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at ffffffffffffffff Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-20 19:04   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-20 19:14   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-20 19:14     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-20 21:31   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-21  1:18     ` Herbert Xu
2008-04-21  2:08       ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-04-21  4:59         ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-04-21  5:47           ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-04-21 13:00             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-21 16:06             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-21 16:24               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-21 15:49         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-21 17:05           ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-04-21 17:30             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-21 17:43               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-04-22  1:03           ` Herbert Xu
2008-04-22 13:36             ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-04-21 16:12     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-21 16:54       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-21 17:06         ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-21 17:19           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-21 17:48           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-21 18:22             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-21 18:22               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-21 19:38             ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-21 20:39         ` David Miller
2008-04-21 21:18           ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-21 21:58             ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-21 22:26               ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-21 22:54                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-04-21 23:02                   ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-21 23:02                     ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-21 23:11                     ` Zdenek Kabelac
2008-04-21 23:11                       ` Zdenek Kabelac
2008-04-21 23:17                     ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-22  0:54                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-22  1:14                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-22  1:30                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-22  9:49                           ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-22  9:53                             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-22 18:35                               ` Zdenek Kabelac
2008-04-22 18:48                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-22 20:34                                   ` device_pm_add (was: Re: 2.6.25-git2: BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at ffffffffffffffff) Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-22 20:34                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-22 20:57                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-22 20:57                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-22 22:11                                       ` Greg KH
2008-04-22 22:11                                       ` Greg KH
2008-04-22 20:58                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-22 20:58                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-22 22:12                                       ` Greg KH
2008-04-22 22:12                                       ` Greg KH
2008-04-22 22:48                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-22 22:48                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-23  0:50                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-23  0:50                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-23 14:56                                         ` Alan Stern
2008-04-23 14:56                                         ` Alan Stern
2008-04-23  8:50                                   ` 2.6.25-git2: BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at ffffffffffffffff Zdenek Kabelac
2008-04-23  8:50                                     ` Zdenek Kabelac
2008-04-23 15:53                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-23 15:53                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-23 16:58                                       ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-23 16:58                                         ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-23 17:28                                         ` Zdenek Kabelac
2008-04-23 17:28                                           ` Zdenek Kabelac
2008-04-23 17:40                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-23 18:52                                       ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-23 19:05                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-04-23 19:19                                           ` Pekka J Enberg
2008-04-23 19:28                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-04-23 20:27                                             ` Zdenek Kabelac
2008-04-24 22:26                                       ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-24 22:41                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25  0:57                                           ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-24 23:45                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25  7:36                                               ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-25 14:09                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2008-04-25 15:30                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-25 17:10                                           ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-25  9:13                                             ` David Miller
2008-04-25 12:15                                               ` Zdenek Kabelac
2008-04-25 12:27                                                 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2008-04-25 15:12                                               ` [PATCH 1/1] x86: fix text_poke Jiri Slaby
2008-04-28  0:51                                                 ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-25 15:03                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25 15:17                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-25 19:36                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-04-26  9:59                                                       ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-26 11:16                                                         ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-26 11:34                                                           ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-28 20:24                                                         ` VIRTUAL_BUG_ON() Christoph Lameter
2008-05-01 19:22                                                           ` [RFC 1/1] mm: add virt to phys debug Jiri Slaby
2008-05-01 19:22                                                             ` Jiri Slaby
2008-05-01 19:22                                                             ` Jiri Slaby
2008-05-01 20:18                                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-01 20:18                                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-06 21:54                                                               ` Jiri Slaby
2008-05-06 21:54                                                                 ` Jiri Slaby
2008-05-07 17:30                                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-07 17:30                                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-13 14:38                                                               ` Jiri Slaby
2008-05-13 14:38                                                                 ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-25 15:19                                                   ` [PATCH 1/1] x86: fix text_poke Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 15:26                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 15:32                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 15:33                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25 15:48                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-25 16:06                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25 16:19                                                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-25 16:24                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25 16:33                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 18:13                                                                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-05-05  2:36                                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-04-25 16:30                                                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-25 16:42                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-25 17:09                                                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-25 18:37                                                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-25 18:47                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-25 19:19                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-25 20:04                                                                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-25 20:09                                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-25 20:18                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-25 20:37                                                                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-25 20:41                                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-25 20:51                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25 21:12                                                                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-25 21:15                                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-25 21:47                                                                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-25 22:07                                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-25 22:30                                                                                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-25 22:36                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-28 20:21                                                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-28 20:55                                                                                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-28 21:01                                                                                               ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2008-04-28 22:42                                                                                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-28 20:43                                                                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-28 21:02                                                                                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-05-04 15:03                                                                                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-05-04 16:18                                                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-25 22:38                                                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-25 22:04                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25 23:00                                                                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-25 23:13                                                                                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-25 23:34                                                                                       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-04-26  6:21                                                                                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-26 11:56                                                                                           ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-04-26 23:38                                                                                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-26 23:38                                                                                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-27  1:00                                                                                               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-04-26  2:12                                                                                   ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-06-05 17:44                                                                                   ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-04-26  6:50                                                                                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-28  0:49                                                                                   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-04-25 21:02                                                                             ` David Miller
2008-04-25 21:11                                                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-25 16:22                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 16:37                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25 16:43                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 16:43                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 16:45                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 16:51                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25 17:02                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 17:13                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25 17:26                                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-25 17:29                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25 17:53                                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 18:04                                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 18:09                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25 18:19                                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 18:19                                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 18:56                                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 18:13                                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 16:52                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 16:56                                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-25 15:50                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 15:57                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-25 18:53                                                             ` Pavel Machek
2008-04-25 16:11                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25 15:54                                                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-25 15:59                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 16:11                                                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-25 15:27                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-25 20:18                                                   ` David Miller
2008-04-25 15:23                                               ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-25  1:35                                         ` 2.6.25-git2: BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at ffffffffffffffff David Miller
2008-04-25  1:48                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25  1:57                                             ` David Miller
2008-04-25  7:41                                               ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-25  7:45                                                 ` David Miller
2008-04-25  8:02                                                   ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-25  8:18                                                   ` pci commands resume order [Was: 2.6.25-git2: BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at ffffffffffffffff] Jiri Slaby
2008-04-25 17:11                                                     ` Jesse Barnes
2008-04-25 10:53                                                   ` 2.6.25-git2: BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at ffffffffffffffff Craig Schlenter
2008-04-25  7:42                                           ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-25  7:49                                             ` David Miller
2008-04-25  7:56                                               ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-25  7:58                                                 ` David Miller
2008-04-25  8:00                                                   ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-25 15:47                                                     ` Randy Dunlap
2008-04-22 21:46                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-22 19:09                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-22  1:15                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-22  1:25                     ` [ProbableSpam]Re: " Paul E. McKenney
2008-04-21 21:19           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-21 21:54             ` David Miller
2008-04-21 13:17   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-21 13:35     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-21 18:56       ` Ingo Molnar

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