From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1761023AbYD3NEh (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:04:37 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1755898AbYD3NE2 (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:04:28 -0400 Received: from eth7959.sa.adsl.internode.on.net ([150.101.82.22]:34829 "EHLO hawking.rebel.net.au" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752786AbYD3NE1 (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:04:27 -0400 Message-ID: <48186E57.5070805@davidnewall.com> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:34:23 +0930 From: David Newall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080227) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Miller CC: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: Slow DOWN, please!!! References: <20080429.190352.137408408.davem@davemloft.net> <4817EF91.4080800@davidnewall.com> <20080429.211835.130816277.davem@davemloft.net> In-Reply-To: <20080429.211835.130816277.davem@davemloft.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org David Miller wrote: > We're having ONE bad merge window, we're facing the problem > head on, RIGHT NOW, to prevent it in the future. It's > not a severe ongoing issue as you portray it to be. No. The problem is more than just a bad merge window. There is poor or non-existent review; frequent "regressions"; release of kernels as stable when they are not. There is resentment and resistance to even acknowledging these problems. Take, as an example, the desire to NOT record who gives good code and who gives bugs: that one clearly hit a nerve, which it should not have except from people who feel guilty. I don't claim BSD to be perfect, but it appears to have a consistently good quality. Old Linux kernels also have that; new ones not so.