From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S935805AbYEUPPl (ORCPT ); Wed, 21 May 2008 11:15:41 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1760383AbYEUPPd (ORCPT ); Wed, 21 May 2008 11:15:33 -0400 Received: from mail.netone.net.tr ([193.192.98.182]:31627 "EHLO mail.netone.net.tr" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754401AbYEUPPc (ORCPT ); Wed, 21 May 2008 11:15:32 -0400 Message-ID: <48343C92.4090403@netone.net.tr> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 18:15:30 +0300 From: Tarkan Erimer User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080505) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Snitzer CC: Pekka Enberg , Arjan van de Ven , lkml Subject: Re: Suggestion About Kernel Releases References: <48341ED5.7060508@netone.net.tr> <20080521063855.0bdb441c@infradead.org> <84144f020805210648y43efb024w8e2f28e62894b1d@mail.gmail.com> <48342B19.9040407@netone.net.tr> <170fa0d20805210732s24f2c188i75ab2ab2dab5aeb5@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <170fa0d20805210732s24f2c188i75ab2ab2dab5aeb5@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2008 15:13:05.0815 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B997270:01C8BB55] Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Mike Snitzer wrote: > I think you're missing Arjan and Pekka's point: your proposal doesn't > _really_ offer any change to the current procedure. It might make you > feel more warm and fuzzy but in practice: > 1) Linus would still release a kernel (be it to -testX or "final") > when he and others feel it is time > 2) The stable team will track fixes and release stable kernels as needed > > The only thing that is different in your approach is the "final" > Yes, that's what I'm talking about. The change will be the "testX" thing. And as you already stated it will help more stable releases. > release would theoretically be more well tested. Unfortunately that > is not a valid assumption because the wider Linux audience likely > won't embrace the latest kernel until it is "final" anyway. This > delayed uptake can/will result in early stable fixes. > > Of course as didn't embrace like the "rc" releases. I don't think that it will cause early stable fixes. Contrarily, it will produce more tested/stable releases. You may think it as a kind of "rc" series. > Again, no real change... we know that the "final" release that Linus > makes _could_ have some minor oversight that will be fixed fairly > quickly by the stable team. > > Mike > It is. As I described above : the "testX" series will change the things as producing more tested /stable releases. BTW, it should be much better to release less, trouble free kernels instead of releasing fast but fixing soon. Also, it will take the load of deep kernel testing. Linus should only do the applying the patches for the next kernel release via "rc" releases. Then when Linus decided all the patches, for the next kernel, applied he will pass it to the "testX" series maintainer as Chris did for 2.6.x.y.