All of lore.kernel.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: David Newall <davidn@davidnewall.com>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Position Statement on Linux Kernel Modules
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 00:32:40 +0930	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48610C90.5020004@davidnewall.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080624113347.GA5246@hp0.dynamicro.ca>

Greg Louis wrote:
> Willy Tarreau wrote
>>> (Of course, the best way to rebut that argument [ that outside the
>>> developer community, nobody cares whether drivers are proprietary ]
>>> would be for end-users to vote with their feet, but for a lot of
>>> us, me included, that's not a practical option.)
>>>       
>> The problem is exactly what you describe in your last sentence. Hardware
>> manufacturers are well aware of that and make no effort to provide correct
>> drivers when they (think they) have a monopoly in certain areas.
>>
>> What would be needed would be a public list of alternative hardware for
>> known existing hardware.
>
> That is Utopian, I fear.  For example, what notebook supports the
> installation of alternative hardware?

Yet, in non-mobile platforms, alternative hardware is sometimes an
option, and so the suggestion does have utility.  But it's use goes
beyond those situations, as it engenders a new mindset amongst
manufacturers, a mindset in which they have to play by our rules or lose
market share, and once they start doing that they'll find there's no
reason not to keep doing it.  Then, even mobile platforms will have a
full set of open drivers.

So I think a public list of alternative hardware is an excellent suggestion.

  reply	other threads:[~2008-06-24 15:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-23  5:01 [ANNOUNCE] Position Statement on Linux Kernel Modules Greg KH
2008-06-23 10:00 ` Jiri Kosina
2008-06-23 14:24   ` Greg KH
2008-06-23 11:29 ` Greg Louis
2008-06-23 13:09   ` Willy Tarreau
2008-06-24 11:33     ` Greg Louis
2008-06-24 15:02       ` David Newall [this message]
2008-06-23 18:12   ` Greg KH
2008-06-23 18:15 ` Måns Rullgård
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-06-23 13:02 Matthew
2008-06-23 13:21 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-06-25 22:45   ` jdow
2008-06-25 23:11     ` Willy Tarreau
2008-06-28  3:28       ` jdow
2008-06-23 18:11 ` Greg KH

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=48610C90.5020004@davidnewall.com \
    --to=davidn@davidnewall.com \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.