From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from [216.168.135.169] (helo=starfish.geekisp.com) by linuxtogo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KBEvI-0005sc-AS for openembedded-devel@openembedded.org; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:15:28 +0200 Received: (qmail 26225 invoked by uid 1003); 24 Jun 2008 20:13:26 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO localhost.localdomain) (philip@opensdr.com@127.0.0.1) by mail.geekisp.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2008 20:13:25 -0000 Message-ID: <48615563.4050009@balister.org> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:13:23 -0400 From: Philip Balister User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080501) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org References: <1213345201.13942.3.camel@dax.rpnet.com> <20080624095735.GB3500@aquilonia.hyboria> <4860FE33.5010804@pobox.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Switching SCM to git and commit/review policy X-BeenThere: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org List-Id: Using the OpenEmbedded metadata to build Distributions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:15:28 -0000 X-Groupsio-MsgNum: 5427 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms020106000508040403050105" --------------ms020106000508040403050105 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Woestenberg wrote: > Hello all, > > On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Alain M. wrote: >> Hi, I am really new here but I have one suggestion: >> Graeme Gregory escreveu: >>> 1) OE-core - everything needed to get upto a successful glibc build >>> 2) OE-universe - all the other stuff, the recipes and distro configs. > > Yes, but make this split only by means of convention, not in the scm > (name)space please. > Having a gentlemen's agreements that non-core developers should not > "commit changes to classes/conf and all the core packages (udev, > busybox, kernels)" is close to what we do nowadays and works fine. > > I agree with Michael that intrusive changes should be done in branches. > > My personal strong meaning is that we should first convert to GIT, > without changing our current policy TOO much. I agree. I also know we need to strengthen the gentlemen's agreement and this is a very good time to do it. > Really, the change to GIT alone will already impact the productivity > negatively, due to the dip in the developer commits resulting from > that (people setting up their environment and workflow instead of > maintaining stuff). > If we crawled back up, let's improve on things. > > For later, -next is a good idea to merge new branches first, and see > where the autobuilder/tests fail, and nack stuff if it got broken I'd like to see us have a set of machine/distro/image's that must build after changes to "core OE". Breakage in .dev hurts a lot of people's productivity. Do we have the resources and volunteers to help test changes to core? Philip --------------ms020106000508040403050105 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIJRTCCAv0w ggJmoAMCAQICEHW4VJIUQV0u11NnfLpF2IUwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkEx JTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQ ZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA4MDQxNDE5MTkzMVoXDTA5MDQxNDE5MTkz MVowYjERMA8GA1UEBBMIQmFsaXN0ZXIxDzANBgNVBCoTBlBoaWxpcDEYMBYGA1UEAxMPUGhpbGlw IEJhbGlzdGVyMSIwIAYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhNwaGlsaXBAYmFsaXN0ZXIub3JnMIIBIjANBgkqhkiG 9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEAxyNViPlSmMq2Kl4m7iDBI3gB7Pwhg+4vnXCKEF3qIoLwNDVl 27CP8RY0umjENzykOR6ZhzYx4fH8arNV5+nlXsH8KNnbDpd5ICTZvbUJdt1gPETmLczGy4hh8woC u7qodyy7YZcGMiUY5LxoL7vIQHysir4rbMRV/JIdmhKfFrHb+glDe8XbfTJ3xKO+BsMgLDaSiRMe lH6uFLAVv9oRoIJxHQhwKLvlrOSQj+ek2fL683BzOUsM4BN/fiwvtJ/y3doVEoKUp8ippOXrwLAX FPprPAAdIydqufTxHotooFqbQzqSJv4cTNDTxf2fg9YfH2RAs8vTdc/wgIVlL8fJnQIDAQABozAw LjAeBgNVHREEFzAVgRNwaGlsaXBAYmFsaXN0ZXIub3JnMAwGA1UdEwEB/wQCMAAwDQYJKoZIhvcN AQEFBQADgYEASFC7i4DqutUTifbyNtEe+e9bqgqWUScDFl0BTV5fFVBX/mFpM3RBZJfq+iM5q0L7 qont3sGaXG0cdVvRk2dkuV2i0HwkmTLJ4HTLMyJ57BjMJWY9ydDiY+Ai1pINmjIgq/qI0aireByq Nee68q+PaWE7bfW1XvfqZD56QunCijswggL9MIICZqADAgECAhB1uFSSFEFdLtdTZ3y6RdiFMA0G CSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAMGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAo UHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQTAe Fw0wODA0MTQxOTE5MzFaFw0wOTA0MTQxOTE5MzFaMGIxETAPBgNVBAQTCEJhbGlzdGVyMQ8wDQYD VQQqEwZQaGlsaXAxGDAWBgNVBAMTD1BoaWxpcCBCYWxpc3RlcjEiMCAGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYTcGhp bGlwQGJhbGlzdGVyLm9yZzCCASIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADggEPADCCAQoCggEBAMcjVYj5UpjK tipeJu4gwSN4Aez8IYPuL51wihBd6iKC8DQ1Zduwj/EWNLpoxDc8pDkemYc2MeHx/GqzVefp5V7B /CjZ2w6XeSAk2b21CXbdYDxE5i3MxsuIYfMKAru6qHcsu2GXBjIlGOS8aC+7yEB8rIq+K2zEVfyS HZoSnxax2/oJQ3vF230yd8SjvgbDICw2kokTHpR+rhSwFb/aEaCCcR0IcCi75azkkI/npNny+vNw czlLDOATf34sL7Sf8t3aFRKClKfIqaTl68CwFxT6azwAHSMnarn08R6LaKBam0M6kib+HEzQ08X9 n4PWHx9kQLPL03XP8ICFZS/HyZ0CAwEAAaMwMC4wHgYDVR0RBBcwFYETcGhpbGlwQGJhbGlzdGVy Lm9yZzAMBgNVHRMBAf8EAjAAMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAA4GBAEhQu4uA6rrVE4n28jbRHvnvW6oK llEnAxZdAU1eXxVQV/5haTN0QWSX6vojOatC+6qJ7d7BmlxtHHVb0ZNnZLldotB8JJkyyeB0yzMi eewYzCVmPcnQ4mPgItaSDZoyIKv6iNGoq3gcqjXnuvKvj2lhO231tV736mQ+ekLpwoo7MIIDPzCC AqigAwIBAgIBDTANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFADCB0TELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExFTATBgNVBAgTDFdlc3Rl cm4gQ2FwZTESMBAGA1UEBxMJQ2FwZSBUb3duMRowGAYDVQQKExFUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZzEo MCYGA1UECxMfQ2VydGlmaWNhdGlvbiBTZXJ2aWNlcyBEaXZpc2lvbjEkMCIGA1UEAxMbVGhhd3Rl IFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIENBMSswKQYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhxwZXJzb25hbC1mcmVlbWFpbEB0 aGF3dGUuY29tMB4XDTAzMDcxNzAwMDAwMFoXDTEzMDcxNjIzNTk1OVowYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkEx JTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQ ZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4GNADCBiQKBgQDE pjxVc1X7TrnKmVoeaMB1BHCd3+n/ox7svc31W/Iadr1/DDph8r9RzgHU5VAKMNcCY1osiRVwjt3J 8CuFWqo/cVbLrzwLB+fxH5E2JCoTzyvV84J3PQO+K/67GD4Hv0CAAmTXp6a7n2XRxSpUhQ9IBH+n ttE8YQRAHmQZcmC3+wIDAQABo4GUMIGRMBIGA1UdEwEB/wQIMAYBAf8CAQAwQwYDVR0fBDwwOjA4 oDagNIYyaHR0cDovL2NybC50aGF3dGUuY29tL1RoYXd0ZVBlcnNvbmFsRnJlZW1haWxDQS5jcmww CwYDVR0PBAQDAgEGMCkGA1UdEQQiMCCkHjAcMRowGAYDVQQDExFQcml2YXRlTGFiZWwyLTEzODAN BgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFAAOBgQBIjNFQg+oLLswNo2asZw9/r6y+whehQ5aUnX9MIbj4Nh+qLZ82L8D0 HFAgk3A8/a3hYWLD2ToZfoSxmRsAxRoLgnSeJVCUYsfbJ3FXJY3dqZw5jowgT2Vfldr394fWxghO rvbqNOUQGls1TXfjViF4gtwhGTXeJLHTHUb/XV9lTzGCA2QwggNgAgEBMHYwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMC WkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0 ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBAhB1uFSSFEFdLtdTZ3y6RdiFMAkGBSsOAwIa BQCgggHDMBgGCSqGSIb3DQEJAzELBgkqhkiG9w0BBwEwHAYJKoZIhvcNAQkFMQ8XDTA4MDYyNDIw MTMyM1owIwYJKoZIhvcNAQkEMRYEFBJna/9j6XSGT49Pqf4VwtW3BJg5MFIGCSqGSIb3DQEJDzFF MEMwCgYIKoZIhvcNAwcwDgYIKoZIhvcNAwICAgCAMA0GCCqGSIb3DQMCAgFAMAcGBSsOAwIHMA0G CCqGSIb3DQMCAgEoMIGFBgkrBgEEAYI3EAQxeDB2MGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxU aGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJl ZW1haWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQQIQdbhUkhRBXS7XU2d8ukXYhTCBhwYLKoZIhvcNAQkQAgsxeKB2MGIx CzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYD VQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQQIQdbhUkhRBXS7XU2d8ukXY hTANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAASCAQCLFPQPdtAb8IwEm58hMwbxvGAIGgmuWoNjUsolHy1T7jYtX7FI q5AxGJ18LLFmswpcMk4Zv4/YlRYSIbBv7FocmVl1O9eW31J6GN2WiiL3qiXioiiFpvSSiRKLmEmz QPY8EmHlQvK1RZy58iAe+Aeh9ZpWpW5cAD4BC+Q/fUe4H6GQJR1TjUe6uvmvafTv42CUvLUl2bwj wXlNlxKjxeBFXkM+I4lRUwdmM9i0kjLpu7ED4OYHyDR6xEJSCJhxirRjd0wvfzGptLNYsoKcAxSB t/R+Ic4IWmr++PKoQVbUGbGaPzCnAB+eHdU9ootUMTM9xwLdM/iuBnMcSg9oGsowAAAAAAAA --------------ms020106000508040403050105--