From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
To: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
Cc: "Avi Kivity" <avi@qumranet.com>,
"Török Edwin" <edwintorok@gmail.com>,
"Linux Kernel" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Ctrl+C doesn't interrupt process waiting for I/O
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:57:58 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <48682186.5030002@tmr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48672ADE.1090300@goop.org>
Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
> Avi Kivity wrote:
>> Applications should not assume that write() (or other syscalls) can't
>> return EINTR. Not all filesystems have a bounded-time backing store.
>
> The distinction between 'fast' (filesystem) and 'slow' (terminals and
> pipes) blocking syscalls goes back to the earliest days of Unix, and is
> part of the ABI. Most filesystem syscalls are not documented to ever
> return EINTR.
>
>> 'soft' has its own problems; namely false positives when someone steps
>> on the network cable, temporarily blocking packet flow, or when using
>> a clustered server which may take some time to recover from a fault.
>
> Sure. It's the basic problem of trying to make network access
> transparent by hiding the failure modes. You either need to put up with
> spurious timeouts caused by transient failures, or unbounded blocking on
> real failures.
>
Basic problem is that you can get a process which you can't interrupt
(in in most cases can't kill) which has resources tied up. Given the
choice between surprising a process with an EINTR or killing it during a
reboot to get the system usable again, I would rather surprise.
The current situation is infrequent but not unheard of. And the causes
are not all rooted in NFS, I used to see this 4-5 times a year when I
was running nntp clusters with heavily threaded applications, every once
in a while some thread would hang in a waiting for i/o state and could
be killed or fixed. I can't see that an application error would result
in a thread being left waiting i/o and uninterruptable, that's a kernel
state.
--
Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
"We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-06-29 23:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-06-28 10:38 Ctrl+C doesn't interrupt process waiting for I/O Török Edwin
2008-06-29 2:44 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-06-29 2:45 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-06-29 3:42 ` Avi Kivity
2008-06-29 5:13 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-06-29 5:39 ` Avi Kivity
2008-06-29 6:25 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-06-29 7:45 ` Török Edwin
2008-06-29 23:57 ` Bill Davidsen [this message]
2008-06-29 12:37 ` Alan Cox
2008-06-30 17:35 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-06-29 7:09 ` Török Edwin
2008-06-29 7:23 ` David Newall
2008-06-29 12:10 ` Andi Kleen
2008-06-29 16:02 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-06-30 10:30 ` Helge Hafting
2008-07-01 7:47 ` Elias Oltmanns
2008-07-01 8:02 ` Elias Oltmanns
2008-07-01 8:28 ` Török Edwin
2008-07-01 9:59 ` Elias Oltmanns
2008-07-01 12:07 ` Joe Peterson
2008-07-01 8:50 ` David Newall
2008-07-01 9:01 ` Török Edwin
2008-07-01 9:12 ` David Newall
2008-07-01 14:12 ` Joe Peterson
2008-07-01 14:48 ` Elias Oltmanns
2008-07-01 16:27 ` Joe Peterson
2008-07-02 21:26 ` Joe Peterson
2008-07-04 20:10 ` Joe Peterson
2008-07-04 20:23 ` Alan Cox
2008-07-04 21:17 ` Joe Peterson
2008-07-11 14:47 ` Alan Cox
2008-07-12 0:44 ` Joe Peterson
2008-07-12 10:37 ` Alan Cox
2008-07-04 21:21 ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-04 21:14 ` Alan Cox
2008-07-04 21:36 ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-04 21:44 ` Alan Cox
2008-07-04 22:09 ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-05 10:34 ` Alan Cox
2008-07-05 11:00 ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-05 11:34 ` Alan Cox
2008-07-05 12:49 ` Elias Oltmanns
2008-07-05 14:01 ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-05 19:58 ` Joe Peterson
2008-07-06 8:28 ` Elias Oltmanns
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2008-07-03 0:59 Matthew Wilcox
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