From: Nadia Derbey <Nadia.Derbey-6ktuUTfB/bM@public.gmane.org>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel-+ZI9xUNit7I@public.gmane.org>
Cc: containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/5] Resend - Use procfs to change a syscall behavior
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:42:03 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4875BD4B.2070402@bull.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080708105143.GA15311-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
Pavel Machek wrote:
> Hi!
>
>
>>>>An alternative to this solution consists in defining a new field in the
>>>>task structure (let's call it next_syscall_data) that, if set, would change
>>>>the behavior of next syscall to be called. The sys_fork_with_id() previously
>>>>cited can be replaced by
>>>>1) set next_syscall_data to a target upid nr
>>>>2) call fork().
>>>
>>>
>>>...bloat task struct and
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>A new file is created in procfs: /proc/self/task/<my_tid>/next_syscall_data.
>>>>This makes it possible to avoid races between several threads belonging to
>>>>the same process.
>>>
>>>
>>>...introducing this kind of uglyness.
>>>
>>>Actually, there were proposals for sys_indirect(), which is slightly
>>>less ugly, but IIRC we ended up with adding syscalls, too.
>
>
>>I had a look at the lwn.net article that describes the sys_indirect()
>>interface.
>>It does exactly what we need here, so I do like it, but it has the same
>>drawbacks as the one you're complaining about:
>>. a new field is needed in the task structure
>>. looks like many people found it ugly...
>
>
>>Now, coming back to what I'm proposing: what we need is actually to change
>>the behavior of *existing* syscalls, since we are in a very particular
>>context (restarting an application).
>
>
> Changing existing syscalls is _bad_: for backwards compatibility
> reasons.
I'm sorry but I don't see a backward compatibility problem: same
interface, same functionality provided. The only change is in the way
ids are assigned.
Actually, one drawback I'm seeing is that we are adding a test to the
classical syscall path (the test on the current->next_syscall_data being
set or not).
> strace will be very confusing to read, etc...
We'll have the 3 following lines added to an strace output each time we
fill the proc file:
open("/proc/15084/task/15084/next_syscall_data", O_RDWR) = 4
write(4, "LONG1 100", 9) = 9
close(4) = 0
I don't see anthing confusing here ;-)
Regards,
Nadia
>
>
>>Defining brand new syscalls is very touchy: needs to be careful about the
>>interface + I can't imagine the number of syscalls that would be
>>needed.
>
>
> Of course new syscalls is touchy... modifying _existing_ should be
> even more touchy.
>
> Pavel
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-07-10 7:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-07-03 14:40 [RFC PATCH 0/5] Resend - Use procfs to change a syscall behavior Nadia.Derbey-6ktuUTfB/bM
2008-07-03 14:40 ` [RFC PATCH 1/5] adds the procfs facilities Nadia.Derbey-6ktuUTfB/bM
[not found] ` <20080703144224.723883000-6ktuUTfB/bM@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-07 18:30 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20080707183030.GA22937-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-08 5:25 ` Nadia Derbey
2008-07-03 14:40 ` [RFC PATCH 2/5] use next syscall data to predefine ipc objects ids Nadia.Derbey-6ktuUTfB/bM
[not found] ` <20080703144224.982195000-6ktuUTfB/bM@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-07 18:35 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20080707183512.GB22937-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-08 5:30 ` Nadia Derbey
2008-07-03 14:40 ` [RFC PATCH 3/5] use next syscall data to predefine process ids Nadia.Derbey-6ktuUTfB/bM
[not found] ` <20080703144225.489624000-6ktuUTfB/bM@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-07 18:54 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20080707185424.GA25934-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-08 5:44 ` Nadia Derbey
2008-07-03 14:40 ` [RFC PATCH 4/5] use next syscall data to change the behavior of IPC_SET Nadia.Derbey-6ktuUTfB/bM
2008-07-03 14:40 ` [RFC PATCH 5/5] use next syscall data to predefine the file descriptor value Nadia.Derbey-6ktuUTfB/bM
[not found] ` <20080703144013.737951000-6ktuUTfB/bM@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-04 10:27 ` [RFC PATCH 0/5] Resend - Use procfs to change a syscall behavior Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20080704102702.GB4531-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-04 12:07 ` Nadia Derbey
[not found] ` <486E1276.2080605-6ktuUTfB/bM@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-08 10:51 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20080708105143.GA15311-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-08 21:47 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20080708214721.GA1972-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-08 21:53 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20080708215315.GD17083-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-10 6:54 ` Nadia Derbey
[not found] ` <4875B212.5030604-6ktuUTfB/bM@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-10 7:01 ` [Devel] " Paul Menage
[not found] ` <6599ad830807100001j3f3a6cf2y7a19dda9382edb2c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-10 9:14 ` Nadia Derbey
[not found] ` <4875D2EA.4010407-6ktuUTfB/bM@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-10 9:30 ` Paul Menage
[not found] ` <6599ad830807100230k2f3f3551sa4b804f4c20b43fe-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-10 10:11 ` Nadia Derbey
2008-07-10 7:42 ` Nadia Derbey [this message]
[not found] ` <4875BD4B.2070402-6ktuUTfB/bM@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-10 8:54 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20080710085406.GA13258-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-10 9:29 ` Nadia Derbey
2008-07-10 17:53 ` Dave Hansen
2008-07-10 18:45 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20080710184512.GA19428-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-10 19:04 ` Dave Hansen
2008-07-10 19:27 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-07-07 19:01 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20080707190119.GB25934-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-08 10:52 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20080708105228.GB15311-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-08 21:50 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20080708215034.GB2179-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-08 21:58 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <20080708215821.GE17083-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-09 2:20 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20080709022035.GA21249-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-10 7:58 ` Nadia Derbey
[not found] ` <4875C138.5060506-6ktuUTfB/bM@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-10 8:34 ` [Devel] " Paul Menage
[not found] ` <6599ad830807100134l362ab98bt868e078eeb17b838-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-10 9:38 ` Nadia Derbey
2008-07-17 22:26 ` Oren Laadan
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