From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mummy.ncsc.mil (mummy.ncsc.mil [144.51.88.129]) by tarius.tycho.ncsc.mil (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7BEXYBB013110 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:33:34 -0400 Received: from mail.wrs.com (jazzhorn.ncsc.mil [144.51.5.9]) by mummy.ncsc.mil (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id m7BEXSPn018703 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:33:33 GMT Received: from ALA-MAIL03.corp.ad.wrs.com (ala-mail03 [147.11.57.144]) by mail.wrs.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m7BEXQZ3018876 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:33:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48A04AB2.20902@windriver.com> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:20:34 -0400 From: Vikram Ambrose MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SE Linux Subject: Re: Request for multiple mailing lists References: <489B25B6.4080309@windriver.com> In-Reply-To: <489B25B6.4080309@windriver.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Sender: owner-selinux@tycho.nsa.gov List-Id: selinux@tycho.nsa.gov As usual, only the ones that wish to argue for no reason are the ones to respond, when the culprits stay silent. Nevertheless I didn't expect miracles to happen. Open Source is after all a socialist concept, and I haven't earned my stripes yet. Oh and I almost forget, we also need a selinux-offtopic list for the likes of Casey Schaufler, Russel Cooker and Vesa-Matti Kari to continue their meaningless banters. /V Vikram Ambrose wrote: > The SE Linux mailing list is being cluttered > with non selinux related material. > > Especially concerning refpolicy. And there is no set fast term used > for filtering such content, and needless to say a waste of bandwidth. > > The SELinux list is not a place for non-SELinux maintainers, like > Tresys to discuss their policies within themselves. Would it be > alright for me and the other developers in my company to use the > SELinux list to discuss our policies? Or the next company that decides > to adopt SELinux? RedHat goes as far as to using the SELinux list as a > communication channel with Tresys. Unless there has been some > agreement made between the SELinux gatekeepers (NSA?) , Tresys and > Redhat, I find this a misuse of the mailing list. > > In the last 4 months, there have only been a handful of unique threads > concerning SELinux. A few by Stepehen, Eric, and myself. Everything > else is policy related. With a total of 800 odd messages in this time > frame, its quite clear the policy discussion is cluttering the list. > As more and more people begin to adopt SELinux and face the battles of > SELinux integration, the userspace topic will become increasingly > popular. > > As I see it, the current list should be split into 3. > > 1. selinux-kernel > This would be a very low volume list. .Perhaps even with special > clearance to address security holes and concerns. > 2. selinux-userspace > This list would deal with userspace tools, wrappers and other non > kernel related material. Whether it be NSA's userspace tools or > support for 3rd party applications being compiled to be selinux-aware > using libselinux. This list is very important, if not the most > important of the three. > 3. selinux-policy > This list will deal with policies. A good place for Administrators > and policy developers to discuss the creation, debugging and use of > various policies. This as it stands would have the highest volume. > Nevertheless as suggested by Grift Dominick on #selinux, a forum would > be an even better place to discuss policies. Repository of ideas, > designs and development dedicated to policies. A forum for the > Administrator and Policy Developer. > > Without this breakdown, the selinux list would be analogous to people > talking about GNU and C programming on lkml. > > > Vikram. > > -- > This message was distributed to subscribers of the selinux mailing list. > If you no longer wish to subscribe, send mail to > majordomo@tycho.nsa.gov with > the words "unsubscribe selinux" without quotes as the message. -- Vikram Ambrose | Linux Products Division | WindRiver Corporation -- This message was distributed to subscribers of the selinux mailing list. If you no longer wish to subscribe, send mail to majordomo@tycho.nsa.gov with the words "unsubscribe selinux" without quotes as the message.