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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org
Cc: kyle-hoO6YkzgTuCM0SS3m2neIg@public.gmane.org,
	sukadev-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org,
	bastian-yyjItF7Rl6lg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org,
	containers-qjLDD68F18O7TbgM5vRIOg@public.gmane.org,
	xemul-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org,
	Alan Cox <alan-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>,
	ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 11/11][v3]: Enable multiple instances of devpts
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:08:39 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48C094A7.5030806@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080905020131.GA17535-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>

sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org wrote:

> 
> When both modes are used simultaneously, we have following options:
> 
> 1. Let container-startup deal with it i.e use above bind-mount approach
>    or, as Serge mentioned, have containers chroot and make ptmx->pts/ptmx
>    symlink or another option ?
> 
> 2. Have the ptmx-node even in the initial mount and a "permanent" ptmx
>    symlink -  Did we fully rule it out :-)
> 
> 3. Choose #2 with a (yet-another) config token. Not sure if it adds
>    value or further complicates the matrix.
> 
> Both #1 and #2 have their pros/cons.  Long term, one advantage I see with #2
> is that we don't force container-scripts do something now that they can/should
> potentially undo later if we ever want to remove the single-instance semantics.
> 
> Does presence of /dev/pts/ptmx in single-instance case break userspace ?
> If it only surprises, will adding notes to pts(4) man page help ?
> 

Well, userspaces which implement the #2 option should add the 
newinstance mount option to ALL mounts of devpts, including the first 
one.  That way the "default" pts instance is never actually exposed.

Container scripts which need to work in both modes can trivially 
determine if they need to do the bind-mount, simply by seeing if 
/dev/ptmx is already a symlink.

	-hpa

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-09-05  2:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-04  5:27 [PATCH 0/11][v3]: Enable multiple mounts of devpts sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found] ` <20080904052718.GA3680-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-04  5:29   ` [PATCH 1/11][v3]: Move tty lookup/reopen to tty_open sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
2008-09-04  5:30   ` [PATCH 2/11][v3]: Add an instance parameter devpts interfaces sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
2008-09-04  5:31   ` [PATCH 3/11][v3]: Simplify devpts_get_tty() sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
2008-09-04  5:32   ` [PATCH 4/11][v3]: Simplify devpts_pty_new() sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
2008-09-04  5:32   ` [PATCH 5/11][v3]: Simplify devpts_pty_kill sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
2008-09-04  5:33   ` [PATCH 6/11][v3]: Remove devpts_root global sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
2008-09-04  5:33   ` [PATCH 7/11][v3]: Per-mount allocated_ptys sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
2008-09-04  5:34   ` [PATCH 8/11][v3]: Per-mount 'config' object sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
2008-09-04  5:34   ` [PATCH 9/11][v3]: Extract option parsing to new function sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
2008-09-04  5:35   ` [PATCH 10/11][v3]: Ability to internally create ptmx sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
2008-09-04  5:35   ` [PATCH 11/11][v3]: Enable multiple instances of devpts sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]     ` <20080904053551.GL3680-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-04  6:38       ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]         ` <48BF8283.7040601-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-04 15:54           ` sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]             ` <20080904155431.GA11174-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-04 16:02               ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                 ` <48C00698.8050803-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-04 16:25                   ` Alan Cox
     [not found]                     ` <20080904172542.3ad7bb85-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-04 16:48                       ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                         ` <48C01163.1050704-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-04 17:18                           ` sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]                             ` <20080904171828.GC11174-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-04 17:31                               ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                                 ` <48C01B58.2040006-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-05  2:01                                   ` sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]                                     ` <20080905020131.GA17535-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-05  2:08                                       ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2008-09-05 12:27                                       ` Alan Cox
     [not found]                                         ` <20080905132710.50018aef-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-05 17:24                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                                             ` <48C16B42.7030103-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-05 19:44                                               ` sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]                                                 ` <20080905194450.GA18119-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-06 14:05                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                                                     ` <48C28E3D.6060404-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-06 21:45                                                       ` sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
2008-09-04 16:08   ` [PATCH 0/11][v3]: Enable multiple mounts " sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA

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