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From: Scott Wood <scottwood-KZfg59tc24xl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>
To: David Gibson <david-xT8FGy+AXnRB3Ne2BGzF6laj5H9X9Tb+@public.gmane.org>
Cc: devicetree-discuss-mnsaURCQ41sdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 8/9 V3] Add documentation for the new DTS language.
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:26:27 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48E396A3.809@freescale.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081001034656.GF30810-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>

David Gibson wrote:
> The current device tree description is purely declarative, but this
> proposal would make it a rather odd hybrid of declarative and
> imperative components.  I do think this could be confusing,
> particularly to device tree newcomers who may not realise which
> components are compile time evaluated and which go into the output
> tree.  I had in mind a rather more functional-programming style for
> macros/computed properties to ameliorate this.
> 
> The several new components of not-C-feel syntax worry me greatly.

Wouldn't a "more functional-programming style" be further away from C?

> If
> you recall the one time I stepped away from C-inspired syntax in the
> original language (bare hex constants), turned out to be a big mistake
> requiring an incompatible source format change to fix.  I really want
> to avoid doing that again, if we possibly can.

If you really want to be as much like C as possible, nothing's stopping 
you from just defining the data structures in real C. :-P

Bare hex constants being a bad idea was not purely due to it being 
different from C.

We also have a substantial difference in the syntax of node/property 
definitions, which forces syntax differences in other parts of the 
lanugage to avoid ambiguity.

> I'm also concerned about adding language-level functions to the
> language.  This requires us to have runtime notions of type and
> symbols and carry them around for evaluation.  I still favour a
> macro-expansion style preprocessing stage instead of semantic-level
> functions for several reasons:
> 	- it provides high flexibility for low conceptual complexity
> 	- we don't have to carry around run-time evaluation structures
> 	- it's a form familiar to C programmers from the preprocessor

I vote against anything similar to the C preprocessor.

-Scott

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-10-01 15:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-26 20:25 [PATCH 0/9 V3] Implement a new DTS Source Language Jon Loeliger
     [not found] ` <1222460748-20127-1-git-send-email-jdl-CYoMK+44s/E@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-26 20:25   ` [PATCH 1/9 V3] Remove support for the legacy DTS source file format Jon Loeliger
     [not found]     ` <1222460748-20127-2-git-send-email-jdl-CYoMK+44s/E@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-26 20:25       ` [PATCH 2/9 V3] Add conditionalized debug() print macro Jon Loeliger
     [not found]         ` <1222460748-20127-3-git-send-email-jdl-CYoMK+44s/E@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-26 20:25           ` [PATCH 3/9 V3] Enhance source position implementation Jon Loeliger
     [not found]             ` <1222460748-20127-4-git-send-email-jdl-CYoMK+44s/E@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-26 20:25               ` [PATCH 4/9 V3] Add header files for new Internal Representation form Jon Loeliger
     [not found]                 ` <1222460748-20127-5-git-send-email-jdl-CYoMK+44s/E@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-26 20:25                   ` [PATCH 5/9 V3] Add most of the new IR implementation files Jon Loeliger
     [not found]                     ` <1222460748-20127-6-git-send-email-jdl-CYoMK+44s/E@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-26 20:25                       ` [PATCH 6/9 V3] Add the main IR evaluation implementation Jon Loeliger
     [not found]                         ` <1222460748-20127-7-git-send-email-jdl-CYoMK+44s/E@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-26 20:25                           ` [PATCH 7/9 V3] Introduce new DTS language Jon Loeliger
     [not found]                             ` <1222460748-20127-8-git-send-email-jdl-CYoMK+44s/E@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-26 20:25                               ` [PATCH 8/9 V3] Add documentation for the " Jon Loeliger
     [not found]                                 ` <1222460748-20127-9-git-send-email-jdl-CYoMK+44s/E@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-26 20:25                                   ` [PATCH 9/9 V3] Test constant expressions in cell contexts Jon Loeliger
     [not found]                                     ` <1222460748-20127-10-git-send-email-jdl-CYoMK+44s/E@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-30  6:04                                       ` David Gibson
     [not found]                                         ` <20080930060418.GD18695-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-30 15:46                                           ` Jon Loeliger
2008-09-30 14:55                                   ` [PATCH 8/9 V3] Add documentation for the new DTS language Grant Likely
     [not found]                                     ` <20080930145537.GJ18313-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-01  3:46                                       ` David Gibson
     [not found]                                         ` <20081001034656.GF30810-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-01  4:01                                           ` Warner Losh
     [not found]                                             ` <20080930.220151.41675821.imp-uzTCJ5RojNnQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-01  4:22                                               ` David Gibson
2008-10-01 15:26                                           ` Scott Wood [this message]
     [not found]                                             ` <48E396A3.809-KZfg59tc24xl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-01 15:43                                               ` Warner Losh
     [not found]                                                 ` <20081001.094306.71131107.imp-uzTCJ5RojNnQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-02  1:20                                                   ` David Gibson
2008-10-02  1:18                                               ` David Gibson
     [not found]                                                 ` <20081002011800.GI25598-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-02 15:22                                                   ` Scott Wood
     [not found]                                                     ` <20081002152242.GB22258-VKaLA/mbEU932VTgPCOETVjVikpgYyvb5NbjCUgZEJk@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-02 16:11                                                       ` David Gibson
     [not found]                                                         ` <20081002161150.GA14351-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-02 17:22                                                           ` Scott Wood
     [not found]                                                             ` <48E5036D.9040509-KZfg59tc24xl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-03  2:24                                                               ` David Gibson
     [not found]                                                                 ` <20081003022424.GG3002-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-03 15:27                                                                   ` Scott Wood
     [not found]                                                                     ` <20081003152700.GA9115-VKaLA/mbEU932VTgPCOETVjVikpgYyvb5NbjCUgZEJk@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-04  4:52                                                                       ` David Gibson
2008-10-02 19:50                                                       ` M. Warner Losh
     [not found]                                                         ` <20081002.135004.1723231860.imp-uzTCJ5RojNnQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-02 20:46                                                           ` Jon Loeliger
2008-10-03  0:23                                                             ` David Gibson
2008-10-03  0:23                                                           ` David Gibson
     [not found]                                                             ` <20081003002337.GB3002-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-03  1:17                                                               ` M. Warner Losh
     [not found]                                                                 ` <20081002.191705.-108805802.imp-uzTCJ5RojNnQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-03  4:38                                                                   ` David Gibson
2010-02-20 16:13                                           ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                                             ` <fa686aa41002200813o3fea9a34s198be367ad81b367-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-21  6:30                                               ` John Williams
2010-02-22  1:30                                               ` David Gibson
2010-02-22  6:26                                                 ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                                                   ` <fa686aa41002212226i4c83376cn8d88a045dd13fe00-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-22 16:13                                                     ` Yoder Stuart-B08248
     [not found]                                                       ` <9696D7A991D0824DBA8DFAC74A9C5FA305B2021A-ofAVchDyotYzzZk0BCvKg5jmvxFtTJ+o0e7PPNI6Mm0@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-22 21:59                                                         ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                                                           ` <fa686aa41002221359m4d857e4cn3a1c56c32a24d21d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-22 22:52                                                             ` Scott Wood
2010-02-23  2:04                                                             ` David Gibson
2010-03-01 19:15                                                             ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                                                               ` <fa686aa41003011115m1bb0b644g5014340f6c312ee9-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-01 19:38                                                                 ` Scott Wood
2010-03-01 20:30                                                                 ` Stephen Neuendorffer
     [not found]                                                                   ` <4B8C2C4C.8070901@freescale <4B8C44C8.6000105@freescale.com>
     [not found]                                                                     ` <4B8C44C8.6000105-KZfg59tc24xl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-01 22:56                                                                       ` Stephen Neuendorffer
     [not found]                                                                         ` <7c070166-6cd5-48e4-ab8e-cb062e3dbb00-RaUQJvECHiusiP+nND6G/7jjLBE8jN/0@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-02  1:22                                                                           ` David Gibson
2010-03-02  0:10                                                                       ` Grant Likely
2010-03-02  1:19                                                                       ` David Gibson
2010-03-02  2:10                                                                         ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                                                                           ` <fa686aa41003011810w2e7b6278t6aaaf192f8d7c8c1-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-02  2:16                                                                             ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                                                                               ` <fa686aa41003011816j534bf335o6fafe6f1c4a63436-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-02  4:20                                                                                 ` David Gibson
     [not found]                                                       ` <fa686aa41002221359m4d857e4cn3a1c56c32a24d21d@mail <4288fc0b-79a4-42fd-9e77-573dbad79210@SG2EHSMHS004.ehs.local>
     [not found]                                                         ` <4288fc0b-79a4-42fd-9e77-573dbad79210-RaUQJvECHiuXHCJdrdq+zrjjLBE8jN/0@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-01 21:06                                                           ` Scott Wood
     [not found]                                                             ` <4B8C2C4C.8070901-KZfg59tc24xl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-01 22:03                                                               ` Stephen Neuendorffer
     [not found]                                                                 ` <4d16ecf4-27b2-4c73-a3be-5b2a8ff95820-+Ck8Kgl/v0+J1bAq5m18RLjjLBE8jN/0@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-01 22:25                                                                   ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                                                                     ` <fa686aa41003011425i734ee434m95b62d57a271bd1f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-02  1:11                                                                       ` David Gibson
2010-03-01 22:18                                                               ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                                                                 ` <fa686aa41003011418x339884c9md61c49948b31a8d1-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-01 22:26                                                                   ` Stephen Neuendorffer
     [not found]                                                                     ` <1012f9aa-1642-41ab-b8cd-a4ab4a7b269e-+Ck8Kgl/v0989VwWyyPjfbjjLBE8jN/0@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-02  0:03                                                                       ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                                                                         ` <fa686aa41003011603w12c0a7f1y88b5fc7a008af1d5-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-02  0:13                                                                           ` Stephen Neuendorffer
     [not found]                                                                             ` <f9885aa5-5c11-4118-9980-f17378d7cbd5-RaUQJvECHiuXHCJdrdq+zrjjLBE8jN/0@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-02  1:25                                                                               ` David Gibson
2010-03-02  2:08                                                                               ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                                                                                 ` <fa686aa41003011808h586e3dc3x11ef14af9c6e5fb8-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-02 17:06                                                                                   ` Scott Wood
2010-03-01 22:50                                                                   ` Scott Wood
2010-03-01 21:49                                                           ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                                                             ` <fa686aa41003011349i367a423cx2c59953e6afc9b75-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-01 22:15                                                               ` Mitch Bradley
     [not found]                                                                 ` <4B8C3C78.5010206-D5eQfiDGL7eakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-01 23:33                                                                   ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                                                                     ` <fa686aa41003011533x3d2d00abyb8d7cf33344a3bde-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-02  3:59                                                                       ` David Gibson
2010-03-01 22:17                                                               ` Stephen Neuendorffer
     [not found]                                                                 ` <72f497af-412c-4a05-90c2-5df0be00d93f-+Ck8Kgl/v09CYczPSvLbDrjjLBE8jN/0@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-01 23:42                                                                   ` Grant Likely
2010-03-02 23:12                                                                   ` David Gibson
2010-03-03 16:18                                                                     ` Grant Likely
2010-02-23  1:47                                                     ` David Gibson
2010-02-23  2:17                                                       ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                                                         ` <fa686aa41002221817s5f15dc4cy5ab873a61de2cb2f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-23  4:10                                                           ` David Gibson
2008-10-02  8:25                               ` [PATCH 7/9 V3] Introduce " David Gibson
2008-09-30  6:03                   ` [PATCH 4/9 V3] Add header files for new Internal Representation form David Gibson
2008-09-30  6:00               ` [PATCH 3/9 V3] Enhance source position implementation David Gibson
2008-09-30  5:57       ` [PATCH 1/9 V3] Remove support for the legacy DTS source file format David Gibson
     [not found]         ` <20080930055716.GA18695-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-30 16:30           ` Scott Wood
     [not found]             ` <48E2541B.1000801-KZfg59tc24xl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-01  1:26               ` David Gibson

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