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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Sergei Shtylyov <sshtylyov@ru.mvista.com>
Cc: jeff@garzik.org, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCHSET #upstream] libata: separate out SFF and BMDMA
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:43:11 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48FDC04F.2080701@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48FDBEAA.3050806@ru.mvista.com>

Hello, Sergei.

Sergei Shtylyov wrote:
> Tejun Heo wrote:
>> This is the first take of separate-out-SFF-and-BMDMA patchset.
> 
>   If BMDMA means the well known Intel BMIDE spec (also known as
> SFF-8038i) this separation starts to sound funny. :-)

Heh.. we had this discussion before.  SFF is TF ATA in libata.

>> Historically, ATA meant SFF (or TASKFILE interface) plus BMDMA and
>>   
> ATA means the taskfile interface plus the command set -- and nothing
> else.  SFF couldn't mean taskfile interface because SFF ATAPI specs
> refers to ATA in this part -- it could only mean either ATAPI
> command set or BMDMA (BMIDE) interface which is spec'ed by
> SFF-8038i.

Yeah, I know now.  We can either do s/sff/tf/ or just accept that SFF
is TF in libata for whatever reason.  Maybe it's not Small Form Factor
but something like Strange Form of tF.  :-)

>> that holds true for many modern SATA controllers.  This was reflected
>> in libata implementation and libata core layer and SFF/BMDMA support
>> used to be all tangled in one piece.
> 
>   The "all tangled" expression describes this mess quite well. :-)

So, the above is actually about the tangledness between ATA SFF and
BMDMA.

>> Another issue which surpassed with the addition of all the legacy,
>> platform and somewhat peculiar PATA drivers is that now there are
>> enough drivers which use SFF interface but use its own DMA interface
>> or don't support DMA at all.  This, in similar fashion, led those
>> drivers to fake certain level of BMDMA functionality to please the
>> libata SFF/BMDMA layer.  This led to the following interesting
>> solutions in low level drivers.
>>
>> 1. For BMDMA drivers which don't use traditional BMDMA register,
>>    ata_bmdma_mode_filter() incorrectly inhibits DMA modes.  Those
>>    drivers either have to inherit from ata_sff_port_ops or clear
>>    ->mode_filter explicitly.
>>
>> 2. non-BMDMA drivers call into BMDMA PRD table allocation.  It doesn't
>>    actually allocate PRD table if bmdma_addr is not initialized but is
>>    still confusing.
>>
>> 3. For BMDMA drivers which don't use traditional BMDMA register, some
>>    methods might not be invoked as expected (e.g. bmdma_stop from
>>    ata_sff_post_internal_cmd()).
>>   
>  
>   What do you mean by BMDMA here? I'm now at a loss...

Rephrased: Drivers which inherit from bmdma_port_ops as they share
many similar characteristics with the standard BMDMA interface but
uses different register format.

>> 4. SFF drivers w/ custom DMA interface implement noop BMDMA ops
>>    worrying libata core might call into one of them.
> 
>   Are those drivers not the same as "BMDMA drivers which don't use
> traditional BMDMA register"?

Rephrased: Drivers which uses ATA TF interface but uses completely
custom DMA interface instead of BMDMA or something similar to it.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-21 11:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-21  9:17 [PATCHSET #upstream] libata: separate out SFF and BMDMA Tejun Heo
2008-10-21  9:17 ` [PATCH 01/22] pata_sch: use ata_pci_sff_init_one() Tejun Heo
2008-10-21  9:17 ` [PATCH 02/22] sata_inic162x: inic162x is not dependent on CONFIG_ATA_SFF Tejun Heo
2008-10-21  9:17 ` [PATCH 03/22] sata_mv: remove unnecessary initialization Tejun Heo
2008-10-21  9:17 ` [PATCH 04/22] libata-sff: clear IRQ from ata_sff_error_handler() only when necessary Tejun Heo
2008-10-21  9:53   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2008-10-21 11:45     ` [PATCH 04/22, UPDATED] " Tejun Heo
2008-10-28  4:10   ` [PATCH 04/22] " Jeff Garzik
2008-10-28  4:28     ` Tejun Heo
2008-10-21  9:17 ` [PATCH 05/22] libata-sff: kill unused prototype and make ata_dev_select() static Tejun Heo
2010-05-07 13:47   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2008-10-21  9:17 ` [PATCH 06/22] libata: kill ATA_FLAG_DISABLED Tejun Heo
2008-10-21  9:17 ` [PATCH 07/22] sata_inic162x: kill PORT_PRD_ADDR initialization Tejun Heo
2008-10-21  9:17 ` [PATCH 08/22] libata-sff: reorder SFF/BMDMA functions Tejun Heo
2008-10-21  9:17 ` [PATCH 09/22] pata_cmd640/bf54x/icside: fix inheritance Tejun Heo
2008-10-21  9:17 ` [PATCH 10/22] libata-sff: clean up BMDMA initialization Tejun Heo
2008-10-28  4:16   ` Jeff Garzik
2008-10-21  9:17 ` [PATCH 11/22] libata-sff: introduce ata_sff_init/exit() and ata_sff_port_init() Tejun Heo
2008-10-21  9:17 ` [PATCH 12/22] libata-sff: ap->[last_]ctl are SFF specific Tejun Heo
2008-10-21  9:17 ` [PATCH 13/22] libata-sff: port_task is " Tejun Heo
2008-10-21  9:17 ` [PATCH 14/22] libata-sff: separate out BMDMA EHs Tejun Heo
2008-10-21  9:17 ` [PATCH 15/22] libata-sff: ata_sff_[dumb_]qc_prep are BMDMA specific Tejun Heo
2008-10-21  9:17 ` [PATCH 16/22] libata-sff: prd is " Tejun Heo
2008-10-21  9:17 ` [PATCH 17/22] libata-sff: separate out BMDMA qc_issue Tejun Heo
2008-10-21  9:17 ` [PATCH 18/22] libata-sff: ata_sff_irq_clear() is BMDMA specific Tejun Heo
2008-10-21  9:17 ` [PATCH 19/22] libata-sff: separate out BMDMA irq handler Tejun Heo
2008-10-21  9:17 ` [PATCH 20/22] libata-sff: separate out BMDMA init Tejun Heo
2008-10-21 15:49   ` [PATCH 20/22 UPDATED] " Tejun Heo
2008-10-21  9:17 ` [PATCH 21/22] sata_qstor: kill dummy BMDMA ops Tejun Heo
2008-10-21 10:10   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2008-10-21 11:27     ` Tejun Heo
2008-10-21  9:18 ` [PATCH 22/22] libata-sff: make BMDMA optional Tejun Heo
2008-10-21  9:26 ` [PATCHSET #upstream] libata: separate out SFF and BMDMA Tejun Heo
2008-10-21 11:36 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2008-10-21 11:43   ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2008-10-27 19:43 ` Mark Lord
2008-10-28  1:06   ` Tejun Heo
2008-10-28  4:20 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-11-03 14:26   ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-04  5:35     ` Jeff Garzik
2008-11-04  5:38       ` Tejun Heo
2008-10-28  4:31 ` [PATCH 04/22 DESC UPDATED] libata-sff: clear IRQ from ata_sff_error_handler() only when necessary Tejun Heo
2010-05-07 13:59 ` [PATCHSET #upstream] libata: separate out SFF and BMDMA Sergei Shtylyov
2010-05-08 15:33   ` Tejun Heo

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