From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from zombie2.ncsc.mil (zombie2.ncsc.mil [144.51.88.133]) by tarius.tycho.ncsc.mil (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9ODJahl012302 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:19:37 -0400 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (jazzdrum.ncsc.mil [144.51.5.7]) by zombie2.ncsc.mil (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id m9ODIApQ027241 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:18:10 GMT Message-ID: <4901CB4B.3030306@kutulu.org> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:19:07 -0400 From: Mike Edenfield MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Meyering CC: Vikram Noel Ambrose , bug-coreutils@gnu.org, selinux@tycho.nsa.gov, 472590@bugs.debian.org, =?UTF-8?B?T25kxZllaiBWYcWh?= =?UTF-8?B?w61r?= Subject: Re: RFC: changing the "+" in ls -l output to be "." or "+" References: <200803251523.34329.russell@coker.com.au> <87tziu96yz.fsf@rho.meyering.net> <20080325173116.GQ2626@mathom.us> <200803260824.17731.russell@coker.com.au> <877ifj9sgs.fsf@rho.meyering.net> <87prt8uhci.fsf_-_@rho.meyering.net> <8763njqz9a.fsf@rho.meyering.net> <49013EA2.8070301@gmail.com> <87mygumq37.fsf@rho.meyering.net> In-Reply-To: <87mygumq37.fsf@rho.meyering.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Sender: owner-selinux@tycho.nsa.gov List-Id: selinux@tycho.nsa.gov Jim Meyering wrote: > A desire for compatibility makes "+" look good. > "." is appealing for SELinux-only because it's inconspicuous. Speaking as a fairly new SELinux user/admin, having a "." next to every file in my ls output is just as useful or non-useful as having a "+" next to them, so does it really buy anything? I end up needing -Z either way. Based on the kind of real-world problems I've had, the most useful thing ls could tell me about a file on my SELinux system would be that it *should* have a label and *doesn't*, something like: if ( selinux_enabled ) if ( label == NULL || label == fs.defaultlabel ) use "!" else use " " else if ( anything else ) use "+" -- This message was distributed to subscribers of the selinux mailing list. If you no longer wish to subscribe, send mail to majordomo@tycho.nsa.gov with the words "unsubscribe selinux" without quotes as the message.