From: Corey Minyard <minyard@acm.org>
To: Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>
Cc: paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
shemminger@vyatta.com, benny+usenet@amorsen.dk,
netdev@vger.kernel.org,
Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl, johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru,
Christian Bell <christian@myri.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] udp: RCU handling for Unicast packets.
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:22:57 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <49092891.5060603@acm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4908DEDE.5030706@cosmosbay.com>
Eric Dumazet wrote:
> Paul E. McKenney a écrit :
>> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 09:00:13PM +0100, Eric Dumazet wrote:
>>> Hum... Another way of handling all those cases and avoid memory
>>> barriers
>>> would be to have different "NULL" pointers.
>>>
>>> Each hash chain should have a unique "NULL" pointer (in the case of
>>> UDP, it
>>> can be the 128 values : [ (void*)0 .. (void *)127 ]
>>>
>>> Then, when performing a lookup, a reader should check the "NULL"
>>> pointer
>>> it get at the end of its lookup has is the "hash" value of its chain.
>>>
>>> If not -> restart the loop, aka "goto begin;" :)
>>>
>>> We could avoid memory barriers then.
>>>
>>> In the two cases Corey mentioned, this trick could let us avoid
>>> memory barriers.
>>> (existing one in sk_add_node_rcu(sk, &hslot->head); should be enough)
>>>
>>> What do you think ?
>>
>> Kinky!!! ;-)
>>
>> Then the rcu_dereference() would be supplying the needed memory
>> barriers.
>>
>> Hmmm... I guess that the only confusion would be if the element got
>> removed and then added to the same list. But then if its pointer was
>> pseudo-NULL, then that would mean that all subsequent elements had been
>> removed, and all preceding ones added after the scan started.
>>
>> Which might well be harmless, but I must defer to you on this one at
>> the moment.
>>
>> If you need a larger hash table, another approach would be to set the
>> pointer's low-order bit, allowing the upper bits to be a full-sized
>> index -- or even a pointer to the list header. Just make very sure
>> to clear the pointer when freeing, or an element on the freelist
>> could end up looking like a legitimate end of list... Which again
>> might well be safe, but why inflict this on oneself?
>
> Well, for UDP case, hash table will be <= 65536 anyway, we can assume
> no dynamic kernel memory is in the range [0 .. 65535]
>
> Here is a patch (untested yet, its really time for a sleep for me ;) )
>
> [PATCH] udp: Introduce special NULL pointers for hlist termination
>
> In order to safely detect changes in chains, we would like to have
> different
> 'NULL' pointers. Each chain in hash table is terminated by an unique
> 'NULL'
> value, so that the lockless readers can detect their lookups evaded from
> their starting chain.
>
> We define 'NULL' values as ((unsigned long)values < UDP_HTABLE_SIZE)
>
> This saves memory barriers (a read barrier to fetch 'next' pointers
> *before* checking key values) we added in commit
> 96631ed16c514cf8b28fab991a076985ce378c26 (udp: introduce
> sk_for_each_rcu_safenext())
> This also saves a missing memory barrier spotted by Corey Minyard (a
> write one in udp_lib_get_port(), between sk_hash update and ->next
> update)
I think you are right, this will certainly perform a lot better without
the read barrier in the list traversal. I haven't seen any problems
with this approach, though it's unusual enough to perhaps warrant some
extra comments in the code.
You do need to modify udp_lib_unhash(), as sk_del_node_init_rcu() will
do a NULL check on the ->next value, so you will need a special version
of that as well.
-corey
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-10-30 3:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 134+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-10-06 18:50 [PATCH 3/3] Convert the UDP hash lock to RCU Corey Minyard
2008-10-06 21:22 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-06 21:40 ` David Miller
2008-10-06 23:08 ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-07 8:37 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-07 14:16 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-10-07 14:29 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-07 14:38 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-10-07 14:33 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-07 14:45 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-10-07 15:07 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-07 15:07 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-07 5:24 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-07 8:54 ` Benny Amorsen
2008-10-07 12:59 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-07 14:07 ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-10-07 20:55 ` David Miller
2008-10-07 21:20 ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-10-08 13:55 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-08 18:45 ` David Miller
2008-10-28 20:37 ` [PATCH 1/2] udp: introduce struct udp_table and multiple rwlocks Eric Dumazet
2008-10-28 21:23 ` Christian Bell
2008-10-28 21:31 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-28 21:48 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-28 21:28 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-28 20:42 ` [PATCH 2/2] udp: RCU handling for Unicast packets Eric Dumazet
2008-10-28 22:45 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 5:05 ` David Miller
2008-10-29 8:23 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 8:56 ` David Miller
2008-10-29 10:19 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 18:19 ` David Miller
2008-10-29 9:04 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 9:17 ` David Miller
2008-10-29 13:17 ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-29 14:36 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 15:34 ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-29 16:09 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 16:37 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-29 17:22 ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-29 17:45 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 18:28 ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-29 18:52 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-29 20:00 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 20:17 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-29 21:29 ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-29 21:57 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 21:58 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-29 22:08 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-30 3:22 ` Corey Minyard [this message]
2008-10-30 5:50 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-02 4:19 ` David Miller
2008-10-30 5:40 ` David Miller
2008-10-30 5:51 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-30 7:04 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-30 7:05 ` David Miller
2008-10-30 15:40 ` [PATCH] udp: Introduce special NULL pointers for hlist termination Eric Dumazet
2008-10-30 15:51 ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-10-30 16:28 ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-31 14:37 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-31 14:55 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2008-11-02 4:22 ` David Miller
2008-10-30 17:12 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-31 7:51 ` David Miller
2008-10-30 16:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-31 0:14 ` Keith Owens
2008-11-13 13:13 ` [PATCH 0/3] net: RCU lookups for UDP, DCCP and TCP protocol Eric Dumazet
2008-11-13 17:20 ` Andi Kleen
2008-11-17 3:41 ` David Miller
2008-11-19 19:52 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-11-13 13:14 ` [PATCH 1/3] rcu: Introduce hlist_nulls variant of hlist Eric Dumazet
2008-11-13 13:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-13 13:44 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-13 16:02 ` [PATCH 4/3] rcu: documents rculist_nulls Eric Dumazet
2008-11-14 15:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-17 3:36 ` David Miller
2008-11-19 17:07 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-14 15:16 ` [PATCH 1/3] rcu: Introduce hlist_nulls variant of hlist Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-19 17:01 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-19 17:53 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-19 18:46 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-19 18:53 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-11-19 21:17 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-19 20:39 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-19 21:21 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-13 13:15 ` [PATCH 2/3] udp: Use hlist_nulls in UDP RCU code Eric Dumazet
2008-11-19 17:29 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-19 17:53 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-13 13:15 ` [PATCH 3/3] net: Convert TCP & DCCP hash tables to use RCU / hlist_nulls Eric Dumazet
2008-11-13 13:34 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-13 13:51 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-13 14:08 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-11-13 14:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-13 14:27 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-11-19 17:53 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-23 9:33 ` [PATCH] net: Convert TCP/DCCP listening hash tables to use RCU Eric Dumazet
2008-11-23 15:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-23 18:42 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-23 19:17 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-23 20:18 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-23 22:33 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-24 1:23 ` David Miller
2008-10-30 11:04 ` [PATCH 2/2] udp: RCU handling for Unicast packets Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-30 11:30 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-30 18:25 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-31 16:40 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-01 3:10 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-29 17:32 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 18:11 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-29 18:29 ` David Miller
2008-10-29 18:38 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-29 18:36 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 18:20 ` David Miller
2008-10-30 11:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-30 11:29 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-28 20:37 ` [PATCH 0/2] udp: Convert the UDP hash lock to RCU Eric Dumazet
2008-10-28 21:28 ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-10-28 21:50 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-07 16:43 ` [PATCH 3/3] " Corey Minyard
2008-10-07 18:26 ` David Miller
2008-10-08 8:35 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-08 16:38 ` David Miller
2008-10-07 8:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-07 14:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-07 18:29 ` David Miller
2008-10-06 22:07 ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-07 8:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-07 9:24 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-07 14:15 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-10-07 14:38 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-07 14:50 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-07 15:05 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-07 15:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-07 15:23 ` Christoph Lameter
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