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From: "David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)" <david@kernel.org>
To: Qi Zheng <qi.zheng@linux.dev>,
	hannes@cmpxchg.org, hughd@google.com, mhocko@suse.com,
	roman.gushchin@linux.dev, shakeel.butt@linux.dev,
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	yuanchu@google.com, weixugc@google.com,
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	akpm@linux-foundation.org, hamzamahfooz@linux.microsoft.com,
	apais@linux.microsoft.com, lance.yang@linux.dev
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, Muchun Song <songmuchun@bytedance.com>,
	Qi Zheng <zhengqi.arch@bytedance.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 13/28] mm: migrate: prevent memory cgroup release in folio_migrate_mapping()
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2025 14:04:54 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49341ca3-1fc9-43d9-abbd-ecaabdda6ce0@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3c32d80a-ba0e-4ed2-87ae-fb80fc3374f7@linux.dev>

On 12/18/25 14:00, Qi Zheng wrote:
> 
> 
> On 12/18/25 7:56 PM, David Hildenbrand (Red Hat) wrote:
>> On 12/18/25 12:40, Qi Zheng wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/18/25 5:43 PM, David Hildenbrand (Red Hat) wrote:
>>>> On 12/18/25 10:36, Qi Zheng wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/18/25 5:09 PM, David Hildenbrand (Red Hat) wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/17/25 08:27, Qi Zheng wrote:
>>>>>>> From: Muchun Song <songmuchun@bytedance.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the near future, a folio will no longer pin its corresponding
>>>>>>> memory cgroup. To ensure safety, it will only be appropriate to
>>>>>>> hold the rcu read lock or acquire a reference to the memory cgroup
>>>>>>> returned by folio_memcg(), thereby preventing it from being released.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the current patch, the rcu read lock is employed to safeguard
>>>>>>> against the release of the memory cgroup in folio_migrate_mapping().
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We usually avoid talking about "patches".
>>>>>
>>>>> Got it.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In __folio_migrate_mapping(), the rcu read lock ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Will do.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This serves as a preparatory measure for the reparenting of the
>>>>>>> LRU pages.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Muchun Song <songmuchun@bytedance.com>
>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Qi Zheng <zhengqi.arch@bytedance.com>
>>>>>>> Reviewed-by: Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com>
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>      mm/migrate.c | 2 ++
>>>>>>>      1 file changed, 2 insertions(+)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> diff --git a/mm/migrate.c b/mm/migrate.c
>>>>>>> index 5169f9717f606..8bcd588c083ca 100644
>>>>>>> --- a/mm/migrate.c
>>>>>>> +++ b/mm/migrate.c
>>>>>>> @@ -671,6 +671,7 @@ static int __folio_migrate_mapping(struct
>>>>>>> address_space *mapping,
>>>>>>>              struct lruvec *old_lruvec, *new_lruvec;
>>>>>>>              struct mem_cgroup *memcg;
>>>>>>> +        rcu_read_lock();
>>>>>>>              memcg = folio_memcg(folio);
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In general, LGTM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder, though, whether we should embed that in the ABI.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like "lock RCU and get the memcg" in one operation, to the "return
>>>>>> memcg
>>>>>> and unock rcu" in another operation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you mean adding a helper function like get_mem_cgroup_from_folio()?
>>>>
>>>> Right, something like
>>>>
>>>> memcg = folio_memcg_begin(folio);
>>>> folio_memcg_end(memcg);
>>>
>>> For some longer or might-sleep critical sections (such as those pointed
>>> by Johannes), perhaps it can be defined like this:
>>>
>>> struct mem_cgroup *folio_memcg_begin(struct folio *folio)
>>> {
>>>      return get_mem_cgroup_from_folio(folio);
>>> }
>>>
>>> void folio_memcg_end(struct mem_cgroup *memcg)
>>> {
>>>      mem_cgroup_put(memcg);
>>> }
>>>
>>> But for some short critical sections, using RCU lock directly might
>>> be the most convention option?
>>>
>>
>> Then put the rcu read locking in there instead?
> 
> So for some longer or might-sleep critical sections, using:
> 
> memcg = folio_memcg_begin(folio);
> do_some_thing(memcg);
> folio_memcg_end(folio);
> 
> for some short critical sections, using:
> 
> rcu_read_lock();
> memcg = folio_memcg(folio);
> do_some_thing(memcg);
> rcu_read_unlock();
> 
> Right?

What I mean is:

memcg = folio_memcg_begin(folio);
do_some_thing(memcg);
folio_memcg_end(folio);

but do the rcu_read_lock() in folio_memcg_begin() and the 
rcu_read_unlock() in folio_memcg_end().

You could also have (expensive) variants, as you describe, that mess 
with getting/dopping the memcg.

But my points was about hiding the rcu details in a set of helpers.

Sorry if what I say is confusing.

-- 
Cheers

David

  reply	other threads:[~2025-12-18 13:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 159+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-12-17  7:27 [PATCH v2 00/28] Eliminate Dying Memory Cgroup Qi Zheng
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 01/28] mm: memcontrol: remove dead code of checking parent memory cgroup Qi Zheng
2025-12-18 23:31   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 02/28] mm: workingset: use folio_lruvec() in workingset_refault() Qi Zheng
2025-12-18 23:32   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 03/28] mm: rename unlock_page_lruvec_irq and its variants Qi Zheng
2025-12-18  9:00   ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-18 23:34   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 04/28] mm: vmscan: prepare for the refactoring the move_folios_to_lru() Qi Zheng
2025-12-17 21:13   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-18  9:04   ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-18  9:31     ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-18 23:39   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-25  3:45   ` Chen Ridong
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 05/28] mm: vmscan: refactor move_folios_to_lru() Qi Zheng
2025-12-19  0:04   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 06/28] mm: memcontrol: allocate object cgroup for non-kmem case Qi Zheng
2025-12-17 21:22   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-18  6:25     ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-19  0:23   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-25  6:23   ` Chen Ridong
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 07/28] mm: memcontrol: return root object cgroup for root memory cgroup Qi Zheng
2025-12-17 21:28   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-19  0:39   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-26  1:03   ` Chen Ridong
2025-12-26  3:10     ` Muchun Song
2025-12-26  3:50       ` Chen Ridong
2025-12-26  3:58         ` Chen Ridong
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 08/28] mm: memcontrol: prevent memory cgroup release in get_mem_cgroup_from_folio() Qi Zheng
2025-12-17 21:45   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-18  6:31     ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-19  2:09     ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-19  3:53       ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-19  3:56         ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 09/28] buffer: prevent memory cgroup release in folio_alloc_buffers() Qi Zheng
2025-12-17 21:45   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-19  2:14   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-26  2:01     ` Chen Ridong
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 10/28] writeback: prevent memory cgroup release in writeback module Qi Zheng
2025-12-17 22:08   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-19  2:30   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 11/28] mm: memcontrol: prevent memory cgroup release in count_memcg_folio_events() Qi Zheng
2025-12-17 22:11   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-19 23:31   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-26  2:12   ` Chen Ridong
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 12/28] mm: page_io: prevent memory cgroup release in page_io module Qi Zheng
2025-12-17 22:12   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-19 23:44   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 13/28] mm: migrate: prevent memory cgroup release in folio_migrate_mapping() Qi Zheng
2025-12-17 22:14   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-18  9:09   ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-18  9:36     ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-18  9:43       ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-18 11:40         ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-18 11:56           ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-18 13:00             ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-18 13:04               ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat) [this message]
2025-12-18 13:16                 ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-19  4:12                   ` Harry Yoo
2025-12-19  6:18                     ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-18 14:26     ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-22  3:42       ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-30 20:07       ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-19 23:51   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 14/28] mm: mglru: prevent memory cgroup release in mglru Qi Zheng
2025-12-17 22:18   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-18  6:50     ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-20  0:58     ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 15/28] mm: memcontrol: prevent memory cgroup release in mem_cgroup_swap_full() Qi Zheng
2025-12-17 22:21   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-20  1:05   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-22  4:02     ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-26  2:29     ` Chen Ridong
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 16/28] mm: workingset: prevent memory cgroup release in lru_gen_eviction() Qi Zheng
2025-12-17 22:23   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-20  1:06   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 17/28] mm: thp: prevent memory cgroup release in folio_split_queue_lock{_irqsave}() Qi Zheng
2025-12-17 22:27   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-20  1:11     ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-22  3:33       ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-18  9:10   ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 18/28] mm: zswap: prevent memory cgroup release in zswap_compress() Qi Zheng
2025-12-17 22:27   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-20  1:14   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 19/28] mm: workingset: prevent lruvec release in workingset_refault() Qi Zheng
2025-12-17 22:30   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-18  6:57     ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 20/28] mm: zswap: prevent lruvec release in zswap_folio_swapin() Qi Zheng
2025-12-17 22:33   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-18  7:09     ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-18 13:02       ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-20  1:23   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 21/28] mm: swap: prevent lruvec release in lru_gen_clear_refs() Qi Zheng
2025-12-17 22:34   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-20  1:24   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 22/28] mm: workingset: prevent lruvec release in workingset_activation() Qi Zheng
2025-12-17 22:36   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-20  1:25   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 23/28] mm: memcontrol: prepare for reparenting LRU pages for lruvec lock Qi Zheng
2025-12-18 13:00   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-18 13:17     ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-20  2:03   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-23  6:14     ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 24/28] mm: vmscan: prepare for reparenting traditional LRU folios Qi Zheng
2025-12-18 13:32   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-22  3:55     ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 25/28] mm: vmscan: prepare for reparenting MGLRU folios Qi Zheng
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 26/28] mm: memcontrol: refactor memcg_reparent_objcgs() Qi Zheng
2025-12-18 13:45   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-22  3:56     ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 27/28] mm: memcontrol: eliminate the problem of dying memory cgroup for LRU folios Qi Zheng
2025-12-18 14:06   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-22  3:59     ` Qi Zheng
2026-01-05 10:41   ` Michal Koutný
2026-01-05 16:14     ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-01-06  7:08       ` Qi Zheng
2026-01-06 16:51         ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 28/28] mm: lru: add VM_WARN_ON_ONCE_FOLIO to lru maintenance helpers Qi Zheng
2025-12-18 14:07   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-23 20:04 ` [PATCH v2 00/28] Eliminate Dying Memory Cgroup Yosry Ahmed
2025-12-23 23:20   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-24  0:07     ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-12-24  0:36       ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-24  0:43         ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-12-24  0:58           ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-29  9:42             ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-29 10:52               ` Michal Koutný
2026-01-02 18:21                 ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-12-29  7:48     ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-29  9:35       ` Harry Yoo
2025-12-29  9:46         ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-29 10:53         ` Michal Koutný
2025-12-24  8:43   ` Harry Yoo
2025-12-24 14:51     ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-12-26 11:24       ` Harry Yoo
2025-12-30  1:36 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-12-30  2:44   ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-30  4:20     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-12-30  4:25       ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-30  4:48         ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-30 16:46           ` Zi Yan
2025-12-30 18:13             ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-30 19:18               ` Chris Mason
2025-12-30 20:51                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-12-30 21:10                   ` Chris Mason
2025-12-30 22:30                     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-12-30 22:03                   ` Roman Gushchin
2025-12-30 21:07                 ` Zi Yan
2025-12-30 19:34             ` Roman Gushchin
2025-12-30 21:13               ` Zi Yan
2025-12-30  4:01   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-30  4:11     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-12-30 18:36       ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-30 20:47         ` Roman Gushchin
2026-01-12 14:21 ` Michal Hocko
2026-01-13  2:34   ` Qi Zheng
2026-01-13 13:04     ` Michal Hocko
2026-01-13 18:02     ` Shakeel Butt
2026-01-14  7:21       ` Qi Zheng

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