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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Cc: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 1/5] Add target memory mapping API
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:46:51 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4978BF1B.9070400@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <18808.25646.904302.912481@mariner.uk.xensource.com>

Ian Jackson wrote:
> Anthony Liguori writes ("Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 1/5] Add target memory mapping API"):
>   
>
>>> The second criticism is a matter of taste, perhaps, and the third can
>>> be addressed later:
>>>
>>>  * The mixed call/callback API: [...]
>>>
>>>    Callbacks are increasingly dominating the innards of qemu for good
>>>    reasons.  I think I have explained how a callback style can provide
>>>    the necessary functionality.
>>>       
>> I understand the point you make here and I think we'll end up having a 
>> callback API.  But for reasons I've already mentioned, I don't think it 
>> makes sense for it to be the core API since it introduces very difficult 
>> to eliminate deadlocks.
>>     
>
> I think my most recently sketched-out proposal (where the caller
> passes a DMA sg list to the mapping request function) doesn't have
> these deadlocks ?
>   

But what do you do with a DMA request that cannot possibly be bounced 
but that can be split?  In other words, a DMA request to 1G of MMIO 
memory that is disk access.  We can absolutely split that into multiple 
requests.

> It seems to me that the way to avoid the deadlock is to allow the
> caller to make their whole request at once rather than having two
> callers both racing to grab resources.
>   

In practice, you can't rely on being able to allocate enough memory in 
the host to complete a full request.  This is only true for very special 
devices.  You definitely need to support two distinct modes.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

> Regards,
> Ian.
>
>
>   

  reply	other threads:[~2009-01-22 18:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-18 19:53 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/5] Direct memory access for devices Avi Kivity
2009-01-18 19:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/5] Add target memory mapping API Avi Kivity
2009-01-19 13:49   ` Ian Jackson
2009-01-19 14:54     ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-19 15:39       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-01-19 16:18         ` Paul Brook
2009-01-19 16:33           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-01-19 16:39             ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-19 19:15               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-01-20 10:09                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-19 16:57         ` Ian Jackson
2009-01-19 19:23           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-01-20 10:17             ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-20 14:18             ` Ian Jackson
2009-01-19 16:40       ` Ian Jackson
2009-01-19 17:28         ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-19 17:53           ` Ian Jackson
2009-01-19 18:29             ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-20 14:32               ` Ian Jackson
2009-01-20 17:23                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-19 18:25           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-19 18:43             ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-20 14:49               ` Ian Jackson
2009-01-20 17:42                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-20 18:08                   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-20 20:27                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-21 16:53                       ` Ian Jackson
2009-01-21 16:50                   ` Ian Jackson
2009-01-21 17:18                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-21 21:54                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-01-20 14:44             ` Ian Jackson
2009-01-21 12:06           ` [Qemu-devel] " Mike Day
2009-01-21 12:18             ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-19 15:05     ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/5] " Gerd Hoffmann
2009-01-19 15:23       ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-19 15:29         ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-19 15:57           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-01-19 16:25             ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-19 17:08             ` Ian Jackson
2009-01-19 17:16               ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-19 14:56   ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-01-19 15:03     ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-19 15:49       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-01-19 15:51         ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-20 18:43   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-01-21 17:09     ` Ian Jackson
2009-01-21 18:56       ` [Qemu-devel] " Mike Day
2009-01-21 19:35         ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-21 19:36       ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 1/5] " Anthony Liguori
2009-01-22 12:18         ` Ian Jackson
2009-01-22 18:46           ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2009-01-26 12:23             ` Ian Jackson
2009-01-26 18:03               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-01-21 11:52   ` [Qemu-devel] " Mike Day
2009-01-21 12:17     ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-21 17:37     ` Paul Brook
2009-01-18 19:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/5] Add map client retry notification Avi Kivity
2009-01-19 14:58   ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-01-18 19:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/5] Vectored block device API Avi Kivity
2009-01-19 16:54   ` Blue Swirl
2009-01-19 17:19     ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-18 19:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/5] I/O vector helpers Avi Kivity
2009-01-18 19:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 5/5] Convert IDE to directly access guest memory Avi Kivity
2009-01-19 16:50 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/5] Direct memory access for devices Blue Swirl

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