From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from [216.168.135.169] (helo=starfish.geekisp.com) by linuxtogo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LQB8f-0005A6-8O for openembedded-devel@openembedded.org; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 02:47:17 +0100 Received: (qmail 13622 invoked by uid 1003); 23 Jan 2009 01:40:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO localhost.localdomain) (philip@opensdr.com@127.0.0.1) by mail.geekisp.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2009 01:40:00 -0000 Message-ID: <49791FCA.4010502@balister.org> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:39:22 -0700 From: Philip Balister User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080501) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org References: <200901230131.09511.mickey@vanille-media.de> <87wscmn8ne.fsf@neumann.lab.ossystems.com.br> In-Reply-To: <87wscmn8ne.fsf@neumann.lab.ossystems.com.br> Subject: Re: Bugtracker Status X-BeenThere: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org List-Id: Using the OpenEmbedded metadata to build Distributions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:47:18 -0000 X-Groupsio-MsgNum: 7378 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms010803010201070200050107" --------------ms010803010201070200050107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Otavio Salvador wrote: > "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" writes: > >> Hi guys, >> >> we have 1141 open bugs in the bugtracker, a couple of hundreds from ancient >> autobuilder builds, some more hundreds application specific bugs, and then >> some actual ones. >> >> I think there are two ways to deal with the mess: >> >> 1.) Officially close the bugtracker down. >> >> 2.) Attack the situation. >> >> I'm fine with either way, though if we'd go for 2.), I'd propose: >> >> 2.1.) Removing all autobuilder bugs completely (how can we script that?) and >> stop autobuilder automatically adding bugs. It was a great idea, but it >> didn't work out. We do not have enough manpower and it just messes up the >> bugtracker. >> 2.2.) Remove all software specific bugs that have an upstream and are not >> distribution-relevant, such as GPE, Opie, Kernel, etc. Can we at least markbugs that are upstream issues in such a way that we can track when they are fixed upstream? >> 2.3.) Reinstate the monthly bug squashing weekends. Dedicated bug squashing periods are good! >> >> Opinions? > > I propose to change the workflow a bit (and reuse few points you've proposed): > > 1. stop using bugtracker to handle patches > 2. use mailing list to handle patches (comments bellow) > 3. drop autobuilder bug reporting (comments bellow) Basically, I agree with Otavio. What about a new list for patches and discussion? I don't know if this is a good idea though. I think the tinderbox work may be a better way of tracking auto-builder issues. Philip > > Besides, I have no objection about your points 2.2 and 2.3 but I'm too > new in the OE environment to comment about them so let me comment > about my points: > > 1 and 2: > > We're trying to get more people to review the changes to be done in > OE dev tree and bugzilla UI is horrible and difficult to use (at > least for me). Most people ends up redoing someone else patch since > we don't watch carefully the bugtrack. > > I propose we move to mailing list reviewing process mostly like Linux > kernel does. We can use PatchWork (http://ozlabs.org/~jk/projects/patchwork/) > tool to make our life easier. I see some pros for that: > > . people will get more review into the patches > . people will be aware of ongoing work and what is being prepared to > be merged > . less forgotten patches > . less duplicated work > > I also see a single con for that: > > . more mailing list traffic > > 3: > > Instead of reporting bugs, we could mail mailing list with the > failure and link a log for someone to take a look. It makes us to > worry more about the change since if we break something _everyone_ > we'll know it :-) > > My 2c :P > --------------ms010803010201070200050107 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIJRTCCAv0w ggJmoAMCAQICEHW4VJIUQV0u11NnfLpF2IUwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkEx JTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQ ZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA4MDQxNDE5MTkzMVoXDTA5MDQxNDE5MTkz MVowYjERMA8GA1UEBBMIQmFsaXN0ZXIxDzANBgNVBCoTBlBoaWxpcDEYMBYGA1UEAxMPUGhpbGlw IEJhbGlzdGVyMSIwIAYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhNwaGlsaXBAYmFsaXN0ZXIub3JnMIIBIjANBgkqhkiG 9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEAxyNViPlSmMq2Kl4m7iDBI3gB7Pwhg+4vnXCKEF3qIoLwNDVl 27CP8RY0umjENzykOR6ZhzYx4fH8arNV5+nlXsH8KNnbDpd5ICTZvbUJdt1gPETmLczGy4hh8woC u7qodyy7YZcGMiUY5LxoL7vIQHysir4rbMRV/JIdmhKfFrHb+glDe8XbfTJ3xKO+BsMgLDaSiRMe lH6uFLAVv9oRoIJxHQhwKLvlrOSQj+ek2fL683BzOUsM4BN/fiwvtJ/y3doVEoKUp8ippOXrwLAX FPprPAAdIydqufTxHotooFqbQzqSJv4cTNDTxf2fg9YfH2RAs8vTdc/wgIVlL8fJnQIDAQABozAw LjAeBgNVHREEFzAVgRNwaGlsaXBAYmFsaXN0ZXIub3JnMAwGA1UdEwEB/wQCMAAwDQYJKoZIhvcN AQEFBQADgYEASFC7i4DqutUTifbyNtEe+e9bqgqWUScDFl0BTV5fFVBX/mFpM3RBZJfq+iM5q0L7 qont3sGaXG0cdVvRk2dkuV2i0HwkmTLJ4HTLMyJ57BjMJWY9ydDiY+Ai1pINmjIgq/qI0aireByq Nee68q+PaWE7bfW1XvfqZD56QunCijswggL9MIICZqADAgECAhB1uFSSFEFdLtdTZ3y6RdiFMA0G CSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAMGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAo UHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQTAe Fw0wODA0MTQxOTE5MzFaFw0wOTA0MTQxOTE5MzFaMGIxETAPBgNVBAQTCEJhbGlzdGVyMQ8wDQYD VQQqEwZQaGlsaXAxGDAWBgNVBAMTD1BoaWxpcCBCYWxpc3RlcjEiMCAGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYTcGhp bGlwQGJhbGlzdGVyLm9yZzCCASIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADggEPADCCAQoCggEBAMcjVYj5UpjK tipeJu4gwSN4Aez8IYPuL51wihBd6iKC8DQ1Zduwj/EWNLpoxDc8pDkemYc2MeHx/GqzVefp5V7B /CjZ2w6XeSAk2b21CXbdYDxE5i3MxsuIYfMKAru6qHcsu2GXBjIlGOS8aC+7yEB8rIq+K2zEVfyS HZoSnxax2/oJQ3vF230yd8SjvgbDICw2kokTHpR+rhSwFb/aEaCCcR0IcCi75azkkI/npNny+vNw czlLDOATf34sL7Sf8t3aFRKClKfIqaTl68CwFxT6azwAHSMnarn08R6LaKBam0M6kib+HEzQ08X9 n4PWHx9kQLPL03XP8ICFZS/HyZ0CAwEAAaMwMC4wHgYDVR0RBBcwFYETcGhpbGlwQGJhbGlzdGVy Lm9yZzAMBgNVHRMBAf8EAjAAMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAA4GBAEhQu4uA6rrVE4n28jbRHvnvW6oK llEnAxZdAU1eXxVQV/5haTN0QWSX6vojOatC+6qJ7d7BmlxtHHVb0ZNnZLldotB8JJkyyeB0yzMi eewYzCVmPcnQ4mPgItaSDZoyIKv6iNGoq3gcqjXnuvKvj2lhO231tV736mQ+ekLpwoo7MIIDPzCC AqigAwIBAgIBDTANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFADCB0TELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExFTATBgNVBAgTDFdlc3Rl cm4gQ2FwZTESMBAGA1UEBxMJQ2FwZSBUb3duMRowGAYDVQQKExFUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZzEo MCYGA1UECxMfQ2VydGlmaWNhdGlvbiBTZXJ2aWNlcyBEaXZpc2lvbjEkMCIGA1UEAxMbVGhhd3Rl IFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIENBMSswKQYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhxwZXJzb25hbC1mcmVlbWFpbEB0 aGF3dGUuY29tMB4XDTAzMDcxNzAwMDAwMFoXDTEzMDcxNjIzNTk1OVowYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkEx JTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQ ZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4GNADCBiQKBgQDE pjxVc1X7TrnKmVoeaMB1BHCd3+n/ox7svc31W/Iadr1/DDph8r9RzgHU5VAKMNcCY1osiRVwjt3J 8CuFWqo/cVbLrzwLB+fxH5E2JCoTzyvV84J3PQO+K/67GD4Hv0CAAmTXp6a7n2XRxSpUhQ9IBH+n ttE8YQRAHmQZcmC3+wIDAQABo4GUMIGRMBIGA1UdEwEB/wQIMAYBAf8CAQAwQwYDVR0fBDwwOjA4 oDagNIYyaHR0cDovL2NybC50aGF3dGUuY29tL1RoYXd0ZVBlcnNvbmFsRnJlZW1haWxDQS5jcmww CwYDVR0PBAQDAgEGMCkGA1UdEQQiMCCkHjAcMRowGAYDVQQDExFQcml2YXRlTGFiZWwyLTEzODAN BgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFAAOBgQBIjNFQg+oLLswNo2asZw9/r6y+whehQ5aUnX9MIbj4Nh+qLZ82L8D0 HFAgk3A8/a3hYWLD2ToZfoSxmRsAxRoLgnSeJVCUYsfbJ3FXJY3dqZw5jowgT2Vfldr394fWxghO rvbqNOUQGls1TXfjViF4gtwhGTXeJLHTHUb/XV9lTzGCA2QwggNgAgEBMHYwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMC WkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0 ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBAhB1uFSSFEFdLtdTZ3y6RdiFMAkGBSsOAwIa BQCgggHDMBgGCSqGSIb3DQEJAzELBgkqhkiG9w0BBwEwHAYJKoZIhvcNAQkFMQ8XDTA5MDEyMzAx MzkyMlowIwYJKoZIhvcNAQkEMRYEFLVVH/8zendFH+NON+4C3bp5oWWNMFIGCSqGSIb3DQEJDzFF MEMwCgYIKoZIhvcNAwcwDgYIKoZIhvcNAwICAgCAMA0GCCqGSIb3DQMCAgFAMAcGBSsOAwIHMA0G CCqGSIb3DQMCAgEoMIGFBgkrBgEEAYI3EAQxeDB2MGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxU aGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJl ZW1haWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQQIQdbhUkhRBXS7XU2d8ukXYhTCBhwYLKoZIhvcNAQkQAgsxeKB2MGIx CzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYD VQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQQIQdbhUkhRBXS7XU2d8ukXY hTANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAASCAQDDk2hTsJEt9hzoqJu8tZj7tzNSp3QUUE9joQDSRmIabue0ltO0 qJmg0C8wCgvKKq6keaSZAI7LVSsJ2MY6JbNl0LCvqIflQ1SuJoPYOQmal0ixLMGA1+rankl0HlRQ gPW6CaN5/y1CsnXJG4hSIZWVKWMKasM0RSCuHdOw7U0ZdxuuWfYMlBe2qz0MObWeabrwTy4BssJM wR4TgYu9P8Wj/Je0pYulqX57xu04zTpKUsqKMRIDV9PiPEECM++JWi4sxMflIvzPRBJPF6eIl8qA TM82XMmcLmZhNUTAiw7TWjXAcjbOpgVfjdYf02IzE4O64JiTDVoJhWIjrQAN/Jm1AAAAAAAA --------------ms010803010201070200050107--