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From: Anssi Hannula <anssi.hannula@gmail.com>
To: Dmitriy Geels <dmitriy.geels@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-input@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: hid-pidff bug: fails to find all required reports of saitek gamepad
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:43:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4995CD44.5000808@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <78f5d6bf0902130033k7d0089cfo857bb48a19da1630@mail.gmail.com>

Dmitriy Geels wrote:
> 2009/2/12 Anssi Hannula <anssi.hannula@gmail.com>:
>>> Just rumble. There is only one motor inside. For constant effect motor
>>> spins with constant speed, as I understood, this speed is controlled
>>> by magnitude. Also it is a place for report fixup: magnitude logical
>>> values are -127/127, but actually 1/255 -- 255 is strongest.
>> Hmm, so it is just rumble ( = periodic), not constant force. But what do the
>> periodic effects do then, if constant is rumble? Normally periodic effects
>> represent various types of rumble.
> Not exactly periodic, but same effect may be achieved using periodic
> effect with 0 period.
> This constant effect sets constant motor speed (and also could be more
> powerful, than periodic).
> Periodic effects control motor speed using effect type and parameters,
> so speed amplitude graph is sinusoidal or saw-like.

Okay, so periodic effects are also different than what they are supposed
to be. Saw-like etc define the force direction/magnitude (e.g. saw-like:
the joystick increasingly pulls to one direction, then stops suddenly
and starts doing it again; this happens quite quickly of course).

Basically this is a simple rumble device somewhat adapted into the PID
model.

The best we can do is define constant force as FF_RUMBLE and pretend
periodic is FF_PERIODIC.

> Envelope for constant effect controls effect playback begin and end.

That is what it is supposed to do.

> For periodic effects it controls every period, as I understood.

That is not supposed to be the case and seems very strange. Can you
confirm this (maybe after we get it working on linux)?

>>> I tried this, no result.
>>> I think, this problem is connected somehow to log message about
>>> maxusage and report_count do not match.
>> It is not related to those. I see two likely reasons:
>> 1) Device needs more initialization; in the dump we see a "Actuators Enable"
>> command sent first, and then the vendor report 64 three times with various
>> data.
> May be. I'll try to find some other PID drivers for windows to see if
> it will work without vendor reports.
> 
>> 2) Reports 21+22 are transmitted as control transfers in the dump. I'll have
>> to check whether we are doing the same.
> We do: http://paste.org.ru/index.pl?iyvkmg
> Got this log with patch: http://paste.org.ru/index.pl?m4wauv

Notice the difference in length of report 22 on windows and linux. Try
this in pidff_init():
pidff->reports[PID_BLOCK_LOAD]->size += 8;

-- 
Anssi Hannula

  reply	other threads:[~2009-02-13 19:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-30 19:45 hid-pidff bug: fails to find all required reports of saitek gamepad Dmitriy Geels
2009-02-02 15:50 ` Anssi Hannula
2009-02-02 18:29   ` Dmitriy Geels
2009-02-02 18:48     ` Dmitriy Geels
2009-02-07 12:28     ` Anssi Hannula
     [not found]       ` <78f5d6bf0902092146x2abaf45an79e4546e75a80356@mail.gmail.com>
2009-02-10  7:49         ` Dmitriy Geels
2009-02-10  7:49         ` Fwd: " Dmitriy Geels
2009-02-10 16:06         ` Anssi Hannula
2009-02-11  9:12           ` Dmitriy Geels
2009-02-11 16:27             ` Anssi Hannula
2009-02-12 18:06               ` Dmitriy Geels
2009-02-12 18:42                 ` Anssi Hannula
2009-02-13  8:33                   ` Dmitriy Geels
2009-02-13 19:43                     ` Anssi Hannula [this message]
     [not found]                       ` <78f5d6bf0902141125m1bf9ac00xb2b414e81d81b869@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                         ` <49972478.3060207@gmail.com>
2009-02-14 22:33                           ` Dmitriy Geels
2009-02-17 12:16                             ` Dmitriy Geels
2009-02-18 15:45                               ` Anssi Hannula
2009-02-19  6:56                                 ` Dmitriy Geels
     [not found]                                 ` <78f5d6bf0902182254v191cc485x62eb211baaddd36@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                                   ` <499D7C66.6090000@gmail.com>
2009-02-26 21:21                                     ` Dmitriy Geels
2009-02-27 16:24                                       ` Anssi Hannula
2009-03-02 18:41                                         ` Dmitriy Geels
2009-03-02 20:35                                           ` Anssi Hannula
2009-03-03  6:28                                             ` Dmitriy Geels
2009-03-03 18:35                                               ` Dmitriy Geels
2009-03-07 14:38                                                 ` Anssi Hannula
2009-03-08  5:18                                                   ` Dmitriy Geels
2009-03-08 10:16                                                     ` Anssi Hannula
2009-03-09 19:08                                                       ` Dmitriy Geels
2009-05-07 23:45                                                         ` Anssi Hannula
2009-05-07 23:57                                                           ` Anssi Hannula
     [not found]                                                             ` <78f5d6bf0906041227w3a58bde0u554a3d3336e17fa6@mail.gmail.com>
2009-06-06 12:14                                                               ` Anssi Hannula
2009-06-09  5:02                                                                 ` Dmitriy Geels
2009-06-09  6:09                                                                   ` Alek Du
2009-06-09  7:37                                                                     ` Dmitriy Geels
2009-06-11  9:38                                                                     ` Dmitriy Geels
2009-06-11 20:11                                                                       ` Dmitriy Geels
2009-07-09 17:41                                                                         ` Dmitriy Geels
2009-07-09 17:58                                                                           ` Anssi Hannula
2009-11-06  9:06                                                                             ` Dmitriy Geels
2009-11-09 12:00                                                                             ` Dmitriy Geels
2009-11-20 14:17                                                                               ` Dmitriy Geels

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