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From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Yinghai Lu <yinghai@kernel.org>,
	mingo@elte.hu, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: introduce bootmem_state
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:10:23 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49B1BB6F.2080800@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49B1B2E9.5050507@zytor.com>

H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
>>
>> Please, no.  system_state should be deprecated; its hard enough to 
>> have a notion of some kind of system-wide state, but putting 
>> subsystem specific substates into it just makes things worse.
>>
>
> Does it?  It seems to me to have a bunch of state variables which can 
> interact in $DEITY knows how many ways sounds like a bad idea.

If each state variable describes the state of a single subsystem in a 
well-defined way then it is meaningful and fairly easy to understand;  I 
would love to have a straightforward way to query which allocator is 
safe to use at a given moment.

The total number of states is always going to be subsys1 * subsys2 * 
..., but folding them all into one state variable only makes sense if we 
have a well-defined set of states *and* transitions between them.  But 
even then it implies that we have enough coupling between our subsystems 
that we would even care what their aggregate state is, which is already 
a bad idea.  If we keep the internal workings of our subsystems as 
internal details, then having private state variables is the way to go.

The real problem with system_state is that it has a few broadly-defined 
values, but no real explanation of what they mean, so they end up 
getting used in inappropriate ways (like the virt_addr_valid() thing I 
fixed yesterday).

    J


  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-03-07  0:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-05 12:54 [PATCH 07/17] x86: rename after_init_bootmem to after_bootmem in mm/init_32.c Pekka Enberg
2009-03-05 13:37 ` [tip:x86/mm] " Pekka Enberg
2009-03-05 19:14 ` [PATCH 07/17] " Yinghai Lu
     [not found]   ` <49B02C68.1030203@cs.helsinki.fi>
2009-03-05 23:45     ` [PATCH] x86: introduce bootmem_state Yinghai Lu
2009-03-06  6:14       ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-03-06  6:38         ` Yinghai Lu
2009-03-06 22:12         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-06 23:34           ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-03-07  0:01             ` Andrew Morton
2009-03-07  0:10             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge [this message]
2009-03-07  0:11               ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-03-06 14:59       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-06 18:20         ` Yinghai Lu
2009-03-06 18:38         ` [PATCH] x86: introduce bootmem_state -v2 Yinghai Lu
2009-03-06 19:12           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-06 19:30             ` Andrew Morton
2009-03-06 19:36               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-06 22:06                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-06 19:50             ` Yinghai Lu
2009-03-06 20:15               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-06 20:40                 ` Yinghai Lu
2009-03-06 21:35                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-07  0:49                     ` [PATCH] x86: introduce bootmem_state -v3 Yinghai Lu
2009-03-08 18:54                       ` [tip:kmemcheck] x86: introduce bootmem_state Yinghai Lu
2009-03-08 18:58                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-08 19:30                           ` Yinghai Lu
2009-03-08 20:32                             ` Ingo Molnar

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