From: Les Mikesell <lesmikesell@gmail.com>
To: LVM general discussion and development <linux-lvm@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [linux-lvm] fsync() and LVM
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:50:27 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <49BE9F73.8050109@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0903161314310.22113@bmsred.bmsi.com>
Stuart D. Gathman wrote:
>
>> No, it's more than that. PostgreSQL gurus say LVM doesn't honor fsync(),
>
> That is clearly wrong - since fsync() isn't LVM's responsibility.
> I think they mean that fsync() can't garrantee that any writes are
> actually on the platter.
>
>> that data doesn't even get to the controller, and it doesn't matter
>> if the disks have write caches enabled or not. Or if they have battery backed
>> caches. Please read the thread I linked. If what they say it's true,
>
> That is clearly wrong. If writes don't work, nothing works.
>
>> you can't use LVM for anything that needs fsync(), including mail queues
>> (sendmail), mail storage (imapd), as such. So I'd really like to know.
>
> fsync() is a file system call that writes dirty buffers, and then waits
> for the physical writes to complete. It is only the waiting part that
> is broken.
It's a yes or no question... Fsync() either guarantees that the write
is committed to physical media so the application can continue knowing
that it's own transactional expectations are met (i.e. you can crash and
recover that piece of data), or it is broken. If it doesn't wait for
completion, it can't possibly report the correct status.
--
Les Mikesell
lesmikesell@gmail.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-03-16 18:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-03-13 17:46 [linux-lvm] fsync() and LVM Marco Colombo
2009-03-13 20:08 ` Stuart D. Gathman
2009-03-13 20:29 ` Ben Chobot
2009-03-13 20:38 ` Alasdair G Kergon
2009-03-14 3:16 ` Marco Colombo
2009-03-14 9:07 ` Dietmar Maurer
2009-03-14 14:31 ` Stuart D. Gathman
2009-03-15 0:51 ` Marco Colombo
2009-03-16 11:02 ` Charles Marcus
2009-03-16 11:05 ` Martin Schröder
2009-03-16 11:18 ` Charles Marcus
2009-03-16 11:25 ` Dietmar Maurer
2009-03-16 14:36 ` Marco Colombo
2009-03-16 17:13 ` Stuart D. Gathman
2009-03-16 17:17 ` Stuart D. Gathman
2009-03-16 18:50 ` Les Mikesell [this message]
2009-03-16 19:36 ` Greg Freemyer
2009-03-16 19:55 ` [linux-lvm] liblvm status question ben scott
2009-03-16 20:58 ` Greg Freemyer
2009-03-17 10:38 ` Bryn M. Reeves
2009-03-17 18:42 ` ben scott
2009-03-17 20:52 ` Greg Freemyer
2009-03-16 20:28 ` [linux-lvm] fsync() and LVM Les Mikesell
2009-03-16 20:54 ` Greg Freemyer
2009-03-16 21:17 ` Les Mikesell
2009-03-16 21:36 ` Greg Freemyer
2009-03-16 21:53 ` Les Mikesell
2009-03-16 22:51 ` Joshua D. Drake
2009-03-17 15:33 ` Joshua D. Drake
2009-03-19 9:20 ` Tim Post
2009-03-16 21:57 ` Allen, Jack
2009-03-17 16:00 ` Marco Colombo
2009-03-17 17:40 ` Stuart D. Gathman
2009-03-17 18:17 ` Les Mikesell
2009-03-18 0:37 ` Marco Colombo
2009-03-15 8:51 ` Dietmar Maurer
2009-03-15 23:31 ` Marco Colombo
2009-03-17 18:12 ` Les Mikesell
2009-03-17 18:19 ` Dietmar Maurer
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