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(107-205.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch [85.0.205.107]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 3sm4622235fge.9.2009.03.29.13.39.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 29 Mar 2009 13:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49CFDC60.3060706@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:38:56 +0200 From: phcoder User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090318) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: The development of GRUB 2 References: <200903292029.26967.okuji@enbug.org> <20090329.044017.240977477.davem@davemloft.net> <200903292155.34578.okuji@enbug.org> <20090329.132416.79693875.davem@davemloft.net> In-Reply-To: <20090329.132416.79693875.davem@davemloft.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Subject: Re: [PATCH] Split of the normal mode X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GRUB 2 List-Id: The development of GRUB 2 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:39:27 -0000 I agree. Developers should feel that their work is appreciated. Otherwise they turn to something else. THis is especially true for opensource where the only holding factor is the motivation David Miller wrote: > From: "Yoshinori K. Okuji" > Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:55:34 +0900 > >> On Sunday 29 March 2009 20:40:17 David Miller wrote: >>> From: "Yoshinori K. Okuji" >>> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:29:26 +0900 >>> >>>> So if nobody else can, I would like to get it straight again myself, >>>> although I am pretty busy (as I have a startup company, can you >>>> imagine how tough it is?). >>> Everybody is too busy to give this project the attention and time it >>> deserves to be maintained properly. >>> >>> I honestly do not think the situation will change significantly until >>> someone is able to devote real time as a maintainer and process all of >>> the patches that get submitted each day. >> This is ideal but not absolutely required. If you look at some popular >> projects, such as Linux and Firefox, you can find out that not all (actually, >> very few) patches are handled so quickly, but those projects are functioning >> so well. > > As a top-level maintainer in one of those projects, I beg to differ. > > The only reason I have so many people underneath me actively working > on the Linux networking stack is the simple fact that I process all > new patches processed each and every day. I sometimes apply 100 or > more patches in a day, and that's critical for keeping the project > healthy. > > And I do it using email because that is what's easiest for developers. > It is so easy to track patches automatically, using email instead of > some bug system, using a facility such as patchwork. > > Otherwise I'd have the situation you guys have here, frustrated > developers and slow progress. > > You can keep denying that this matters, but my practical experience > of over 15 years disagrees with your's. > > > _______________________________________________ > Grub-devel mailing list > Grub-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/grub-devel -- Regards Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko