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From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
To: Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>
Cc: George Dunlap <George.Dunlap@eu.citrix.com>,
	"Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	xen-devel@lists.xensource.com
Subject: Re: [RFC] Scheduler work, part 1: High-level goals and interface.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 09:32:37 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49E75DA5.70502@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2b060016-4fa6-4ab7-885e-263c468689ec@default>

Dan Magenheimer wrote:
> From a resource utilization perspective, hyper-pairing may
> make sense.  But what about the user perspective?  How would
> an administrator specify hyper-pairing?  And more importantly
> why?  When consolidating workloads from, say, a group
> of dual-core or dual-processor servers onto some future
> larger hyperthreaded server, why would anyone say
> "please assign this to a hyper-pair", which is essentially
> saying "give me less peak performance than I had before"?
>   

I don't see how it makes a difference.  At the moment, you're never sure 
if a pair of vcpus are HT thread pairs, two cores on the same socket, or 
on completely different sockets - all of which will have quite different 
performance characteristics.  And unless your server is under-committed, 
you're always running the risk that one domain is competing with another 
for CPU when it needs it most - and if you're under-committed, you can 
always pin everything in exactly the config you want.

Besides, the chances are good that the single-threaded performance of 
each core on your shiny new server will be fast enough to overcome the 
cost of HT compared to your old server...

> Also, in the analysis below, the problem is greatly
> simplified because today's (x86) processors are limited
> to two hyperthreads.  How soon will we see more threads
> per core, given that other non-x86 CPUs already support
> four or more?
>   

I think the simplifying factor is that the number of threads/cores 
you're ganging together is a relatively small proportion of the total 
number of available threads/cores, so the problem is under-constrained 
and there are lots of nearly-optimal solutions.  If you're trying to 
gang schedule a large proportion of your total resources, then you get 
into tricky boxpacking territory.

    J

  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-16 16:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-09 15:58 [RFC] Scheduler work, part 1: High-level goals and interface George Dunlap
2009-04-09 18:41 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-04-10  0:33   ` Tian, Kevin
2009-04-10 16:15     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-04-10 17:16       ` Ian Pratt
2009-04-10 17:19         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-04-11 10:00           ` Tian, Kevin
2009-04-15 15:47             ` George Dunlap
2009-04-15 13:54           ` George Dunlap
2009-04-15 16:23             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-04-10 17:34         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-04-11  9:57         ` Tian, Kevin
2009-04-11 17:11           ` Ian Pratt
2009-04-12  6:27             ` Tian, Kevin
2009-04-11  9:52       ` Tian, Kevin
2009-04-15 15:56         ` George Dunlap
2009-04-16  5:11           ` Tian, Kevin
2009-04-16 10:27             ` George Dunlap
2009-04-16 14:10               ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-04-16 16:32                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge [this message]
2009-04-16 18:20                   ` Andrew Lyon
2009-04-16 18:28                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-04-17 10:17                 ` George Dunlap
2009-04-17 14:13                   ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-04-17 14:55                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-04-17 15:55                       ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-04-17 16:17                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-04-17 16:46                           ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-04-17 17:05                           ` George Dunlap
2009-04-17 10:02               ` Tian, Kevin
2009-04-15 14:29   ` George Dunlap
2009-04-10  0:15 ` Tian, Kevin
2009-04-15 15:07   ` George Dunlap
2009-04-16  4:58     ` Tian, Kevin
2009-04-10  2:28 ` Zhiyuan Shao

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