From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
To: Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>
Cc: George Dunlap <George.Dunlap@eu.citrix.com>,
"Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
xen-devel@lists.xensource.com
Subject: Re: [RFC] Scheduler work, part 1: High-level goals and interface.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 09:32:37 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <49E75DA5.70502@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2b060016-4fa6-4ab7-885e-263c468689ec@default>
Dan Magenheimer wrote:
> From a resource utilization perspective, hyper-pairing may
> make sense. But what about the user perspective? How would
> an administrator specify hyper-pairing? And more importantly
> why? When consolidating workloads from, say, a group
> of dual-core or dual-processor servers onto some future
> larger hyperthreaded server, why would anyone say
> "please assign this to a hyper-pair", which is essentially
> saying "give me less peak performance than I had before"?
>
I don't see how it makes a difference. At the moment, you're never sure
if a pair of vcpus are HT thread pairs, two cores on the same socket, or
on completely different sockets - all of which will have quite different
performance characteristics. And unless your server is under-committed,
you're always running the risk that one domain is competing with another
for CPU when it needs it most - and if you're under-committed, you can
always pin everything in exactly the config you want.
Besides, the chances are good that the single-threaded performance of
each core on your shiny new server will be fast enough to overcome the
cost of HT compared to your old server...
> Also, in the analysis below, the problem is greatly
> simplified because today's (x86) processors are limited
> to two hyperthreads. How soon will we see more threads
> per core, given that other non-x86 CPUs already support
> four or more?
>
I think the simplifying factor is that the number of threads/cores
you're ganging together is a relatively small proportion of the total
number of available threads/cores, so the problem is under-constrained
and there are lots of nearly-optimal solutions. If you're trying to
gang schedule a large proportion of your total resources, then you get
into tricky boxpacking territory.
J
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-04-16 16:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-04-09 15:58 [RFC] Scheduler work, part 1: High-level goals and interface George Dunlap
2009-04-09 18:41 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-04-10 0:33 ` Tian, Kevin
2009-04-10 16:15 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-04-10 17:16 ` Ian Pratt
2009-04-10 17:19 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-04-11 10:00 ` Tian, Kevin
2009-04-15 15:47 ` George Dunlap
2009-04-15 13:54 ` George Dunlap
2009-04-15 16:23 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-04-10 17:34 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-04-11 9:57 ` Tian, Kevin
2009-04-11 17:11 ` Ian Pratt
2009-04-12 6:27 ` Tian, Kevin
2009-04-11 9:52 ` Tian, Kevin
2009-04-15 15:56 ` George Dunlap
2009-04-16 5:11 ` Tian, Kevin
2009-04-16 10:27 ` George Dunlap
2009-04-16 14:10 ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-04-16 16:32 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge [this message]
2009-04-16 18:20 ` Andrew Lyon
2009-04-16 18:28 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-04-17 10:17 ` George Dunlap
2009-04-17 14:13 ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-04-17 14:55 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-04-17 15:55 ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-04-17 16:17 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-04-17 16:46 ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-04-17 17:05 ` George Dunlap
2009-04-17 10:02 ` Tian, Kevin
2009-04-15 14:29 ` George Dunlap
2009-04-10 0:15 ` Tian, Kevin
2009-04-15 15:07 ` George Dunlap
2009-04-16 4:58 ` Tian, Kevin
2009-04-10 2:28 ` Zhiyuan Shao
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