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From: Michael Riepe <michael.riepe@googlemail.com>
To: Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>
Cc: Lars Marowsky-Bree <lmb@suse.de>,
	Alan Jenkins <sourcejedi.lkml@googlemail.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jan Blunck <jblunck@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] driver-core: devtmpfs - driver core maintained /dev tmpfs
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 20:55:34 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49FF3A26.3030407@googlemail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ac3eb2510905041113x58bdb807od7dd4a6ce258e317@mail.gmail.com>



Kay Sievers wrote:
> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 19:54, Michael Riepe
> <michael.riepe@googlemail.com> wrote:
> 
>>>The problem is not the missing events, they could be pretty easily
>>>recovered from sysfs with just another special hack to run at bootup -
>>>it's the time it takes to bring up the engine to bootstrap /dev, to
>>>allow us to start any other process which looks for devices. Today,
>>>udev mounts /dev as a tmpfs, and at that point it is obviously empty,
>>>and needs to be filled, and nothing else can reliably run at that
>>>time.
>>
>>And what about mounting /dev from an already populated image? Or, even
>>faster, using the /dev directory of the root fs? That way, the device
>>nodes would be present as soon as / is mounted, without any additional
>>overhead, except the very first time the system boots (in case you
>>choose not to populate /dev with a default set of device nodes in advance).
> 
> 
> Dynamic device numbers! A static /dev does not work at all for many
> subsystems, not to mention the risk you take by talking to the wrong
> device pointed to, by your incorrect static device nodes. It's not an
> option at all today, and it will get much worse in the future.

Maybe it's just me, but my devices end up being numbered the same after
every reboot. Unless I add or remove devices to/from the system, of course.

Unfortunately, that doesn't mean that it will always stay that way.

-- 
Michael "Tired" Riepe <michael.riepe@googlemail.com>
X-Tired: Each morning I get up I die a little

  reply	other threads:[~2009-05-04 18:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-30 13:23 [PATCH] driver-core: devtmpfs - driver core maintained /dev tmpfs Kay Sievers
2009-05-01  5:29 ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01  6:17   ` Greg KH
2009-05-01  6:43     ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01  6:55       ` Greg KH
2009-05-01  7:03         ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 10:52           ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 11:38             ` Michael Tokarev
2009-05-01 11:44               ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 11:03         ` Alan Cox
2009-05-01 11:11           ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 13:18             ` Alan Cox
2009-05-01 13:24               ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-02  7:19                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-02 13:46                   ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-02 15:18                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2009-05-02 15:35                       ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-02 18:20                 ` Michael Riepe
2009-05-02 19:55                   ` Alan Jenkins
2009-05-02 21:47                     ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-04 16:20                       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2009-05-04 16:53                         ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-04 17:54                           ` Michael Riepe
2009-05-04 18:13                             ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-04 18:55                               ` Michael Riepe [this message]
2009-05-04 19:13                                 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-04 19:30                                 ` Greg KH
2009-05-02  1:24         ` Brian Swetland
2009-05-02  1:48           ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-02  2:02             ` Brian Swetland
2009-05-02  2:28               ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-02  4:42                 ` Brian Swetland
2009-05-02 13:30                   ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 11:01     ` Alan Cox
2009-05-01 11:02       ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 11:16   ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 19:26     ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 21:59       ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 22:21         ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01  6:57 ` Chris Wedgwood
2009-05-01 14:01   ` Greg KH
2009-05-01 15:43     ` Alan Jenkins
2009-05-01 16:04       ` Greg KH
2009-05-01 21:13         ` Alan Jenkins
2009-05-01 15:53     ` Chris Wedgwood
2009-05-01 16:09       ` Greg KH
2009-05-01 16:17         ` Chris Wedgwood
2009-05-01 10:19 ` Alan Jenkins
2009-05-01 11:13   ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 12:38     ` Alan Jenkins
2009-05-01 13:12       ` Alan Cox
2009-05-02 15:03         ` Kyle Moffett
2009-05-01 14:55       ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 11:41 ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-01 11:59   ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-02  7:16 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-02 11:34   ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-02 20:22     ` Alan Jenkins
2009-05-02 21:39       ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-02 22:04         ` Alan Jenkins
2009-05-03  7:29           ` Michael Tokarev
2009-05-02 21:41       ` Alan Jenkins
2009-05-02 21:54         ` Greg KH
2009-05-02 21:59         ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-02 16:59   ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-02 17:57     ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-06 12:56 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-07  1:41 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-07  2:08   ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-07  2:25     ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-07  2:40       ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-14  9:28     ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-07  8:17 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-05-07  9:28   ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-07 14:43     ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-07 15:13       ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-10  0:29     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-05-10  0:56       ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-10  2:11         ` Eric W. Biederman

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