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From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
To: Joanne Koong <joannelkoong@gmail.com>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, ljs@kernel.org, usama.arif@linux.dev,
	hannes@cmpxchg.org, baohua@kernel.org, alex@ghiti.fr,
	ziy@nvidia.com, baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com,
	liam@infradead.org, npache@redhat.com, ryan.roberts@arm.com,
	dev.jain@arm.com, lance.yang@linux.dev, vbabka@kernel.org,
	rppt@kernel.org, surenb@google.com, mhocko@suse.com,
	willy@infradead.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/3] mm: split underused anonymous mTHP folios
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2026 20:59:35 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49a274cf-56f7-4d16-aa49-b2e5b8eae196@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJnrk1aMitdNO8kDgMF2tAE_1N_sc1JsuhOTqqiWrHxue61bPw@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/21/26 22:33, Joanne Koong wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2026 at 3:23 AM David Hildenbrand (Arm)
> <david@kernel.org> wrote:
>>
>> On 9/17/26 00:44, Joanne Koong wrote:
>>> PMD-sized THPs that are mostly zero-filled are reclaimed under memory
>>> pressure by the deferred split shrinker, but this is not done for mTHP
>>> folios. At Meta we would like to deploy 2M THP=always on arm64 with 64k
>>> base pages, as 2M provides the contpte benefits while the PMD size there
>>> (512M) is too big to use. However, 2M THP=always causes memory regressions
>>> unless the unused portions of those folios can be broken down and
>>> reclaimed.
>>>
>>> v1 did two things. It scaled khugepaged_max_ptes_none down per folio order and
>>> it queued every anonymous mTHP folio. David objected to the scaling since
>>> collapse had already rejected proportional scaling as either letting the memory
>>> footprint creep or being confusing to reason about. David and Barry separately
>>> objected to the queuing, which adds list_lru lock contention on every anonymous
>>> fault, and hurts lower-order use cases such as Android's order-2-only
>>> configuration. Johannes suggested keeping khugepaged_max_ptes_none absolute and
>>> simply not queuing folios that could never exceed it, which addresses both.
>>>
>>> Read as an absolute count, khugepaged_max_ptes_none also implies the
>>> smallest folio that takes part in underused splitting. A 2M folio on 64k
>>> base pages is 32 pages, so the knob has to be set below 32 for those to
>>> be queued at all, and any folio with no more pages than the value stays off
>>> the queue entirely.
>>>
>>> Patch 1 makes thp_underused() folio-size aware. Today it only ever sees
>>> PMD-sized folios, so it assumes HPAGE_PMD_NR pages throughout. Patch 3
>>> breaks that assumption, so patch 1 generalizes it first. No functional
>>> changes are introduced.
>>>
>>> Patch 2 keeps folios that can never be found underused off the deferred
>>> split queue, as suggested by Johannes. This changes/optimizes existing
>>> behavior. With the default khugepaged/max_ptes_none, PMD folios are queued
>>> today and then dropped again by the first scan without ever having been
>>> splittable. After this patch they are not queued at all.
>>
>> I think we discussed queuing folios once the value changes and you would
>> actually be able to split some. Was there a good reason why that idea was dropped?
>>
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> I have a paragraph about this in the commit message of patch 2:
> 

Ah, okay, I only skimmed the cover letter so far.

-- 
Cheers,

David


      reply	other threads:[~2026-09-22 18:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-16 22:44 [PATCH v2 0/3] mm: split underused anonymous mTHP folios Joanne Koong
2026-09-16 22:44 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] mm/huge_memory: make thp_underused() work for " Joanne Koong
2026-09-16 22:44 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] mm/huge_memory: don't queue folios that can never be underused Joanne Koong
2026-09-16 22:44 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] mm/memory: add anonymous mTHP folios to the deferred split list Joanne Koong
2026-09-20 16:20 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] mm: split underused anonymous mTHP folios Lance Yang
2026-09-21 10:04   ` Barry Song
2026-09-21 10:08   ` Usama Arif
2026-09-21 10:22     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-22 10:33     ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-21 10:12   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-23  0:44     ` Joanne Koong
2026-09-23  6:00       ` Barry Song
2026-09-25 22:40         ` Joanne Koong
2026-09-23  9:44       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-25 23:47         ` Joanne Koong
2026-09-28  8:03           ` Barry Song
2026-10-01  9:10             ` Joanne Koong
2026-09-28 19:20           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-01  9:59             ` Joanne Koong
2026-09-21 10:23 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-21 20:33   ` Joanne Koong
2026-09-22 18:59     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm) [this message]

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