From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from [216.168.135.169] (helo=starfish.geekisp.com) by linuxtogo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M22Ue-0004oO-Tj for openembedded-devel@openembedded.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 14:14:29 +0200 Received: (qmail 15914 invoked by uid 1003); 7 May 2009 12:08:19 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO localhost.localdomain) (philip@opensdr.com@127.0.0.1) by mail.geekisp.com with SMTP; 7 May 2009 12:08:17 -0000 Message-ID: <4A02CF2A.70804@balister.org> Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 08:08:10 -0400 From: Philip Balister User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080501) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org References: <1241101618.30742.241.camel@mill.internal.reciva.com> <1241695142.16805.170.camel@mill.internal.reciva.com> In-Reply-To: <1241695142.16805.170.camel@mill.internal.reciva.com> Subject: Re: progress on OE organization issues X-BeenThere: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org List-Id: Using the OpenEmbedded metadata to build Distributions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 12:14:29 -0000 X-Groupsio-MsgNum: 10065 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms060802060405070905000503" --------------ms060802060405070905000503 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Phil Blundell wrote: > On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 21:43 -0400, Cliff Brake wrote: >> The eV stuff is a little less known, as about all I can do keep >> hassling those who started the process. I did note your thoughts >> about the eV, and have asked the http://www.softwarefreedom.org/ for >> any advice they might have. An organized way to handle funding does >> not seen super critical at this time with the nslu2-linux server >> offer, but something we should get in place. > > Yes, agreed. Having a legal entity in place to handle funds would not > be at the top of my own list of organisational priorities for OE; as far > as I can tell, the amount of money that's actually flowing through the > project at the moment seems to be fairly negligible. I think there are > other issues which would have more of an impact on the day-to-day > operations of the project. My own personal "most wanted" thing would be > the establishment of some kind of technical steering committee to > provide a coherent policy direction, rather than having decisions with > global impact made on the hoof by individual developers. My number one concern is that we not create multiple membership groups and committees. There is no sense creating groups independent of the eV. Sorry it has taken so long to get this off the ground. Philip > > The other thing that does strike me about the eV, though, is that it > does seem to be a rather cumbersome choice vehicle for solving the > problem at hand. From what I gather, the administrative requirements > for setting up a legal entity in Germany do seem to be significantly > more complicated and generally onerous than almost anywhere else I can > think of; witness I guess the fact that it's taken something over a year > to get to the point that we have with it. > > Just as a point of comparison, a couple of weeks ago I found myself > needing to set up a new limited company here in the UK. It took me > about half an hour to fill in the form, cost me the equivalent of about > $40 in filing fees, and the company was all ready to go by the end of > the same day. (This is very roughly the equivalent of a German GmbH > rather than an eV, but still.) I've never been personally involved in > incorporating a company in the US but, from what I gather, it's more or > less equally straightforward to do so there. > > I should say again though that I don't intend any of these remarks to be > a criticism of those who are setting up the eV, for whose efforts I have > great respect, nor am I in any way opposed to the eV itself. I do > wonder though whether all this administrative work is a good use of > scarce OE developer manpower. > >> I have been pondering doing a series of polls to get feedback from the >> OE community and users. The first one should be coming out shortly. >> Perhaps we can use a mechanism like this for voting, etc eventually. > > Yes, the one about hosting seems to have worked pretty well so far. > Thanks again for your work on that. > > p. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openembedded-devel mailing list > Openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org > http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openembedded-devel > --------------ms060802060405070905000503 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIJRTCCAv0w ggJmoAMCAQICECwlen/oUcoDd1VrNqKp/fwwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkEx JTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQ ZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA5MDQxNTAwNDQ1OFoXDTEwMDQxNTAwNDQ1 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