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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Gregory Haskins <ghaskins@novell.com>
Cc: Gregory Haskins <gregory.haskins@gmail.com>,
	Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] generic hypercall support
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 23:15:41 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A03416D.8020405@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A033F6E.3010604@novell.com>

Gregory Haskins wrote:
>> Oh yes.  But don't call it dynhc - like Chris says it's the wrong
>> semantic.
>>
>> Since we want to connect it to an eventfd, call it HC_NOTIFY or
>> HC_EVENT or something along these lines.  You won't be able to pass
>> any data, but that's fine.  Registers are saved to memory anyway.
>>     
> Ok, but how would you access the registers since you would presumably
> only be getting a waitq::func callback on the eventfd.  Or were you
> saying that more data, if required, is saved in a side-band memory
> location?  I can see the latter working. 

Yeah.  You basically have that side-band in vbus shmem (or the virtio ring).

>  I can't wrap my head around
> the former.
>   

I only meant that registers aren't faster than memory, since they are 
just another memory location.

In fact registers are accessed through a function call (not that that 
takes any time these days).


>> Just to make sure we have everything plumbed down, here's how I see
>> things working out (using qemu and virtio, use sed to taste):
>>
>> 1. qemu starts up, sets up the VM
>> 2. qemu creates virtio-net-server
>> 3. qemu allocates six eventfds: irq, stopirq, notify (one set for tx
>> ring, one set for rx ring)
>> 4. qemu connects the six eventfd to the data-available,
>> data-not-available, and kick ports of virtio-net-server
>> 5. the guest starts up and configures virtio-net in pci pin mode
>> 6. qemu notices and decides it will manage interrupts in user space
>> since this is complicated (shared level triggered interrupts)
>> 7. the guest OS boots, loads device driver
>> 8. device driver switches virtio-net to msix mode
>> 9. qemu notices, plumbs the irq fds as msix interrupts, plumbs the
>> notify fds as notifyfd
>> 10. look ma, no hands.
>>
>> Under the hood, the following takes place.
>>
>> kvm wires the irqfds to schedule a work item which fires the
>> interrupt.  One day the kvm developers get their act together and
>> change it to inject the interrupt directly when the irqfd is signalled
>> (which could be from the net softirq or somewhere similarly nasty).
>>
>> virtio-net-server wires notifyfd according to its liking.  It may
>> schedule a thread, or it may execute directly.
>>
>> And they all lived happily ever after.
>>     
>
> Ack.  I hope when its all said and done I can convince you that the
> framework to code up those virtio backends in the kernel is vbus ;)

If vbus doesn't bring significant performance advantages, I'll prefer 
virtio because of existing investment.

>   But
> even if not, this should provide enough plumbing that we can all coexist
> together peacefully.
>   

Yes, vbus and virtio can compete on their merits without bias from some 
maintainer getting in the way.

-- 
Do not meddle in the internals of kernels, for they are subtle and quick to panic.


  reply	other threads:[~2009-05-07 20:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-05 13:24 [RFC PATCH 0/3] generic hypercall support Gregory Haskins
2009-05-05 13:24 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] add " Gregory Haskins
2009-05-05 17:03   ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-05-06 13:52   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-06 15:16     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-06 16:52       ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-05-05 13:24 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] x86: " Gregory Haskins
2009-05-05 13:24 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] kvm: add pv_cpu_ops.hypercall support to the guest Gregory Haskins
2009-05-05 13:36 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] generic hypercall support Avi Kivity
2009-05-05 13:40   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-05 14:00     ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-05 14:14       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-05 14:21         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-05 15:02         ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-05 23:17         ` Chris Wright
2009-05-06  3:51           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-06  7:22             ` Chris Wright
2009-05-06 13:17               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-06 16:07                 ` Chris Wright
2009-05-07 17:03                   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 18:05                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-07 18:08                       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 18:12                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-07 18:16                           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 18:24                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-07 18:37                               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 19:00                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-07 19:05                                   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 19:43                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-07 20:07                                       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 20:15                                         ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2009-05-07 20:26                                           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-08  8:35                                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-08 11:29                                               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 19:07                                   ` Chris Wright
2009-05-07 19:12                                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 19:21                                       ` Chris Wright
2009-05-07 19:26                                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-07 19:44                                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-07 19:29                                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 20:25                                           ` Chris Wright
2009-05-07 20:34                                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 20:54                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-05-07 21:13                                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 21:57                                               ` Chris Wright
2009-05-07 22:11                                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-05-08 22:33                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-11 13:01                                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-05-11 13:04                                                       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 20:00                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-05-07 20:31                               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 20:42                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-05-07 20:47                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-05-07 20:50                                 ` Chris Wright
2009-05-07 23:35                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2009-05-07 23:43                       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2009-05-08  3:17                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-08  7:55                         ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                           ` <20090508103253.GC3011@amt.cnet>
2009-05-08 11:37                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-08 14:35                           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2009-05-08 14:45                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-08 15:51                               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2009-05-08 19:56                                 ` David S. Ahern
2009-05-08 20:01                                   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-08 23:23                                     ` David S. Ahern
2009-05-09  8:45                                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-09 11:27                                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-10  4:27                                           ` David S. Ahern
2009-05-10  5:24                                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-10  4:24                                         ` David S. Ahern
2009-05-08  3:13                       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-08  7:59                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-08 11:09                         ` Gregory Haskins
     [not found]                         ` <20090508104228.GD3011@amt.cnet>
2009-05-08 12:43                           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-08 15:33                             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2009-05-08 19:02                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-08 16:48                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-05-08 19:55                               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-08 14:15                       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-08 14:53                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-08 18:50                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-08 19:02                             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-08 19:06                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-11 16:37                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-07 12:29                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-08 14:59                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-09 12:01                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-10 18:38                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-11 13:14                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-11 16:35                           ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-05-11 17:06                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-11 17:29                               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-11 17:53                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-11 17:51                               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-11 18:02                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-11 18:18                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-11 17:31                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-13 10:53                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-13 14:45                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-11 16:44                         ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-05-11 17:54                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-11 19:24                             ` PowerPC page faults Hollis Blanchard
2009-05-11 22:17                               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-12  5:46                                 ` Liu Yu-B13201
2009-05-12 14:50                                 ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-05-06 13:56             ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] generic hypercall support Anthony Liguori
2009-05-06 16:03               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-08  8:17                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-08 15:20                   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-08 17:00                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-08 18:55                       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-08 19:05                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-08 19:12                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-08 19:59                           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-10  9:59                             ` Avi Kivity

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