From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: lkml@morethan.org
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [BUG FIX] Make x86_32 uni-processor Atomic ops, Atomic
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 16:30:08 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A173580.9050304@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200905221721.08495.lkml@morethan.org>
If there is a driver which relies on locked operations to be atomic with
respect to the I/O subsystem, it needs to use true locks, not LOCK_PREFIX.
An interrupt cannot interrupt between two parts of a lockable
instruction even if it isn't locked (there are non-atomic instructions
in the x86 architecture, but they can never be locked.)
The other thing that you might be seeing is that a locked operation may
be slow enough to keep an otherwise-present race condition from being
triggered.
> That tells us nothing, since the CPU technical details are under NDA.
Have you considered that you might be running into a CPU bug or design
error? There was the out-of-order store bug on the Winchip that needed
workarounds (CONFIG_X86_OOSTORE) that I don't think were ever well
tested and might very well have bitrotted?
> All that can be done in this case is report behavior differences from
> the closest publicly described processor (Pentium-M).
>
> For that purpose, I suggest that a single processor box, with other
> hardware that makes memory access independent of the processor's
> control using a processor older than P-4 is a potential test bed.
> "Other hardware that makes memory access..." I previously termed:
> "buss master DMA" - which is overly specific. It misleads people
> into thinking I am seeing hardware control issues rather than
> non-exclusive memory access.
>
> My earlier comments about taking an interrupt between the memory read
> and the memory write operations is from a different manual than the
> one posted. A manual that only applies to processors older than
> the ones supported by the Linux kernel.
> Sorry, my bad, grabbed the wrong book, posted the correct link (SH).
>
> Until one or more specific usages of the LOCK_PREFIX macro can be
> demonstrated to be incorrect (at least for some of the processors
> using this code) - -
>
> Then making the posted change is a single point change that gives a
> pair of builds (one with, one without) to compare the behavior of on
> the test bed.
>
> It is *not* the preferred change for a general release kernel, the
> preferred change would be one that makes a specific rather than
> general correction.
> Perhaps only for some functions, perhaps only for some of the
> processors that currently select this code.
>
> The observation that executing an unnecessary 'lock' opcode in some
> cases slows down the machine is not felt by myself to be significant
> to duplicating my observations. Note: I have been wrong before.
What makes you draw that conclusion, in particular? A lock prefix
typically slows down the following instruction dramatically, on some
processors by many hundreds of cycles.
> This is as informative as I can make the message.
>
> PS: *not* a single machine failure, tested on five machines, owned
> by four different people, two brands, with different use histories.
What do they have in common?
-hpa
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-05-22 23:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-05-22 16:39 [BUG FIX] Make x86_32 uni-processor Atomic ops, Atomic Michael S. Zick
2009-05-22 18:23 ` Andi Kleen
2009-05-22 18:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-22 18:59 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-22 19:20 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-22 22:21 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-22 23:30 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2009-05-23 0:45 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-23 0:51 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-23 10:44 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-23 11:18 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-24 7:04 ` Harald Welte
2009-05-24 12:48 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-24 15:43 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-27 22:13 ` Roland Dreier
2009-05-27 22:33 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-23 15:52 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-23 18:04 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-23 23:44 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-24 6:49 ` Harald Welte
2009-05-24 12:38 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-24 17:31 ` Harald Welte
2009-05-27 12:18 ` Re:[VIA Support] was: " Michael S. Zick
2009-05-27 12:22 ` [VIA " Michael S. Zick
2009-05-27 12:47 ` Harald Welte
2009-05-27 13:00 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-29 12:06 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-30 15:48 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-24 12:27 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-24 17:22 ` Harald Welte
2009-05-24 18:00 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-24 18:32 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-24 18:46 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-24 19:09 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-25 19:03 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-25 19:18 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-25 19:46 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-25 21:10 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-25 21:17 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-25 23:03 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-25 23:35 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-26 0:05 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-26 12:37 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-26 17:13 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-25 1:31 ` i2c-viapro / via-fb drivers on VIA CX700 Harald Welte
2009-05-25 12:54 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-27 13:36 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-25 16:05 ` [BUG FIX] Make x86_32 uni-processor Atomic ops, Atomic Michael S. Zick
2009-05-28 20:30 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-28 20:54 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-28 23:15 ` [Futex RFC] was " Michael S. Zick
2009-05-29 2:00 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-27 17:01 ` LOCK prefix on uni processor has its use (was Re: [BUG FIX] Make x86_32 uni-processor Atomic ops, Atomic) Harald Welte
2009-05-27 17:10 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-27 17:19 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-27 17:25 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-27 18:08 ` LOCK prefix on uni processor has its use Andi Kleen
2009-05-27 18:22 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-27 18:33 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-27 18:55 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-27 18:38 ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-02 12:48 ` Harald Welte
2009-06-02 13:03 ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-02 13:26 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-06-02 13:42 ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-03 11:46 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-28 2:56 ` LOCK prefix on uni processor has its use (was Re: [BUG FIX] Make x86_32 uni-processor Atomic ops, Atomic) H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-23 20:51 ` [BUG FIX] Make x86_32 uni-processor Atomic ops, Atomic Michael S. Zick
2009-05-28 12:48 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-28 13:29 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-28 20:50 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-28 20:58 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-28 21:16 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-28 21:21 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-22 19:17 ` Michael S. Zick
[not found] ` <200905221343.30638.lkml@morethan.org>
[not found] ` <20090522192329.GF846@one.firstfloor.org>
2009-05-22 19:53 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-22 20:05 ` Samuel Thibault
2009-05-22 20:32 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-22 20:42 ` Andi Kleen
2009-05-22 20:57 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-22 20:43 ` Samuel Thibault
2009-05-22 21:59 ` Andi Kleen
2009-05-22 22:00 ` Samuel Thibault
2009-05-22 22:14 ` Andi Kleen
2009-05-22 22:14 ` Samuel Thibault
2009-05-22 20:45 ` Roland Dreier
2009-05-24 18:59 ` Robert Hancock
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-05-22 18:50 Michael S. Zick
2009-05-22 19:24 ` Roland Dreier
2009-05-22 20:03 ` Michael S. Zick
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