From: "Chris Friesen" <cfriesen@nortel.com>
To: Raistlin <raistlin@linux.it>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
Douglas Niehaus <niehaus@ittc.ku.edu>,
Henrik Austad <henrik@austad.us>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Bill Huey <billh@gnuppy.monkey.org>,
Linux RT <linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org>,
Fabio Checconi <fabio@gandalf.sssup.it>,
"James H. Anderson" <anderson@cs.unc.edu>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Ted Baker <baker@cs.fsu.edu>,
Dhaval Giani <dhaval.giani@gmail.com>,
Noah Watkins <jayhawk@soe.ucsc.edu>,
KUSP Google Group <kusp@googlegroups.com>,
Tommaso Cucinotta <cucinotta@sssup.it>,
Giuseppe Lipari <lipari@retis.sssup.it>
Subject: Re: RFC for a new Scheduling policy/class in the Linux-kernel
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:48:26 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A5C9ABA.9070909@nortel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1247568455.9086.115.camel@Palantir>
Raistlin wrote:
> Now, all the above is true on UP setups. Extending to SMP (m CPUs) and
> considering the first part of my draft proposal, i.e., having the
> proxying tasks busy waiting (would say "spinning", but that busy wait is
> interruptible, preemptable, etc.) on some CPU while their proxy is being
> scheduled, we are back to the case of having the m highest entity
> running... And thus we are happy!
> Well, so and so. I fact, if you want (and we want! :-D) to go a step
> further, and consider how to remove the --possibly quite log on Linux as
> Peter said-- wasting of CPU time due to busy waiting, what you can do is
> to actually block a proxying task, instead of having it "spinning", so
> that some other task in some other group, which may not be one of the m
> highest prio ones, can reclaim that bandwidth... But... Ladies and
> gentlemen, here it is: BLOCKING. Again!! :-(
Let's call the highest priority task A, while the task holding the lock
(that A wants) is called B. Suppose we're on an dual-cpu system.
According to your proposal above we would have A busy-waiting while B
runs with A's priority. When B gives up the lock it gets downgraded and
A acquires it and continues to run.
Alternately, we could have A blocked waiting for the lock, a separate
task C running, and B runs with A's priority on the other cpu. When B
gives up the lock it gets downgraded and A acquires it and continues to run.
>From an overall system perspective we allowed C to make additional
forward progress, increasing the throughput. On the other hand, there
is a small window where A isn't running and it theoretically should be.
If we can bound it, would this window really cause so much difficulty
to the schedulability analysis?
Chris
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-07-14 14:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-07-10 21:50 RFC for a new Scheduling policy/class in the Linux-kernel Henrik Austad
2009-07-11 18:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-12 2:40 ` Douglas Niehaus
2009-07-12 15:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-13 15:44 ` Raistlin
2009-07-13 16:33 ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-14 10:47 ` Raistlin
2009-07-14 11:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-14 11:56 ` Luca Abeni
2009-07-14 18:19 ` Raistlin
2009-07-14 14:48 ` Chris Friesen [this message]
2009-07-14 15:19 ` James H. Anderson
2009-07-14 16:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-14 16:54 ` James H. Anderson
2009-07-14 19:28 ` Henrik Austad
2009-07-14 19:33 ` James H. Anderson
2009-07-15 21:53 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-17 7:40 ` Henrik Austad
2009-07-17 13:37 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-15 4:25 ` Bjoern B. Brandenburg
2009-07-15 4:25 ` Bjoern B. Brandenburg
2009-07-15 20:55 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-15 21:53 ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-15 22:34 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-15 22:39 ` Dhaval Giani
2009-07-15 22:39 ` Dhaval Giani
2009-07-15 23:16 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-16 8:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-16 9:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-17 0:32 ` Raistlin
2009-07-17 0:43 ` Raistlin
2009-07-16 12:17 ` Raistlin
2009-07-16 23:29 ` Raistlin
2009-07-18 20:12 ` Michal Sojka
2009-07-14 17:16 ` James H. Anderson
2009-07-15 21:19 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-14 19:54 ` Raistlin
2009-07-14 16:48 ` Raistlin
2009-07-14 18:24 ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-14 19:14 ` Raistlin
2009-07-15 22:14 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-16 7:17 ` Henrik Austad
2009-07-16 23:13 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-17 0:19 ` Raistlin
2009-07-17 7:31 ` Henrik Austad
2009-07-16 14:46 ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-16 22:34 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-16 23:07 ` Raistlin
2009-07-15 21:45 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-15 22:12 ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-15 22:52 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-17 13:35 ` Giuseppe Lipari
2009-07-13 17:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-13 18:14 ` Noah Watkins
2009-07-13 20:13 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-13 21:45 ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-14 11:16 ` Raistlin
2009-07-15 23:11 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-16 7:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-16 8:52 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-07-16 12:17 ` Raistlin
2009-07-16 12:59 ` James H. Anderson
2009-07-16 13:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-16 22:15 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-16 22:34 ` Karthik Singaram Lakshmanan
2009-07-16 22:34 ` Karthik Singaram Lakshmanan
2009-07-16 23:38 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-17 1:44 ` Karthik Singaram Lakshmanan
2009-07-17 1:44 ` Karthik Singaram Lakshmanan
2009-07-16 15:17 ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-16 21:26 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-16 22:08 ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-16 23:54 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-14 9:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-14 19:07 ` Raistlin
2009-07-13 17:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-14 19:47 ` Raistlin
[not found] ` <002301ca0403$47f9d9d0$d7ed8d70$@tlh@comcast.net>
2009-07-13 23:47 ` Douglas Niehaus
2009-07-14 7:27 ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-14 7:44 ` Douglas Niehaus
2009-07-12 6:17 ` Henrik Austad
2009-07-13 9:55 ` Raistlin
2009-07-13 10:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-13 16:06 ` Raistlin
2009-07-14 8:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-14 9:36 ` Raistlin
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2009-07-16 17:54 Raj Rajkumar
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