From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1MeCTg-00048y-DA for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:35:12 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MeCTd-00048t-Lt for grub-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:35:09 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MeCTa-00048h-VU for grub-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:35:08 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=56130 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MeCTa-00048e-OZ for grub-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:35:06 -0400 Received: from mindfields.own-hero.net ([85.214.113.156]:38860) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MeCTa-0006vy-3d for grub-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:35:06 -0400 Received: by mindfields.own-hero.net (Postfix, from userid 500) id 2888C70108; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:35:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.32] (unknown [93.186.4.35]) by mindfields.own-hero.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F3377005B for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:34:57 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A8D9776.9030809@own-hero.net> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:35:34 +0200 From: decoder User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: The development of GRUB 2 References: <4A8BDB5B.5000407@labri.fr> <200908201008.01687.michael@gorven.za.net> <200908201033.21202.michael@gorven.za.net> <4A8D7A47.90704@duboucher.eu> <20090820174705.GA18371@thorin> In-Reply-To: <20090820174705.GA18371@thorin> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms000501030502080207090300" X-Hashcash: 1:22:090820:grub-devel@gnu.org::j+FGE5rOalPXMD2D:0000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000Ps/j X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Subject: Re: about smartcards (Re: TPM support status ?) X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GRUB 2 List-Id: The development of GRUB 2 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:35:10 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms000501030502080207090300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robert Millan wrote: > SmartCards are a single-purpose device. Users don't install software in them, > You don't install software in a TPM module either. > and they don't have any user interface (other than a button or so) that could > be used to implement DRM This is wrong. Smartcards of course have a an interface to interact with them. It is even a not so small subset of what TPM provides. And yes, you could use a Smartcard to do DRM. > , so it's not an issue if their owners can't modify > their firmware (which could even be in a ROM). > The TPM can't modify anything either. A TPM is a _passive_ crypto module. 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