From: Gregory Haskins <gregory.haskins@gmail.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: alacrityvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Gregory Haskins <ghaskins@novell.com>
Subject: Re: vbus design points: shm and shm-signals
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:28:47 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A93060F.10506@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A92F158.9050003@gmail.com>
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Gregory Haskins wrote:
> Anthony Liguori wrote:
>> Fundamentally, how is this different than the virtio->add_buf concept?
>
> From my POV, they are at different levels. Calling vbus->shm() is for
> establishing a shared-memory region including routing the memory and
> signal-path contexts. You do this once at device init time, and then
> run some algorithm on top (such as a virtqueue design).
>
> virtio->add_buf() OTOH, is a run-time function. You do this to modify
> the shared-memory region that is already established at init time by
> something like vbus->shm(). You would do this to queue a network
> packet, for instance.
>
> That said, shm-signal's closest analogy to virtio would be vq->kick(),
> vq->callback(), vq->enable_cb(), and vq->disable_cb(). The difference
> is that the notification mechanism isn't associated with a particular
> type of shared-memory construct (such as a virt-queue), but instead can
> be used with any shared-mem algorithm (at least, if I designed it properly).
>
> The closest analogy for vbus->shm() to virtio would be
> vdev->config->find_vqs(). Again, the difference is that the algorithm
> (ring, etc) is not dictated by the call. You then overlay something
> like virtqueue on top.
BTW: Another way to think of this is that virtio->add_buf() is really
"buffer assignment", whereas "vbus->shm()" is "buffer sharing". The
former is meant to follow an "assign, consume, re-assign, reclaim"
model, where the changing pointer ownership implicitly serializes the
writability of the buffer. Its used (quite effectively) for things like
passing a network-packet around.
Conversely, the latter case ("buffer sharing") is designed for
concurrent writers. Its used for things like ring-metadata,
shared-table designs, etc. Anything that generally is designed for a
longer-term, parallel update model, instead of a consume/reclaim model.
Whether we realize it or not, we generally build buffer-assignment
algorithms on top of buffer-sharing algorithms. Therefore, while virtio
technically has both of these components, it only exposes the former
(buffer-assignment) as a user-extensible ABI (vq->add_buf). The latter
(buffer-sharing) is inextricably linked to the underlying virtqueue ABI
(vdev->find_vqs) (or, at least it is today).
This is why I keep emphasizing that they are different layers of the
same stack. From a device point of view, virtio adds a robust ring
model with buffer-assignment capabilities, support for scatter-gather,
etc. Vbus underneath it provides a robust buffer-sharing design with
considerations for things like end-to-end prioritization, mitigation of
various virt-like inefficiencies (hypercalls, interrupts, eois, spurious
re-signals), etc.
The idea is you can then join the two together to do something like
build 8-rx virtqueues for your virtio-net to support prio. If you take
these things into consideration on the backend design as well, you can
actually tie it in end-to-end to gain performance and capabilities not
previously available in KVM (or possibly any virt platform).
HTH,
Kind Regards,
-Greg
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-08-24 21:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 132+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-08-14 15:42 [PATCH v3 0/6] AlacrityVM guest drivers Gregory Haskins
2009-08-14 15:42 ` [PATCH v3 1/6] shm-signal: shared-memory signals Gregory Haskins
2009-08-14 15:43 ` [PATCH v3 2/6] ioq: Add basic definitions for a shared-memory, lockless queue Gregory Haskins
2009-08-14 15:43 ` [PATCH v3 3/6] vbus: add a "vbus-proxy" bus model for vbus_driver objects Gregory Haskins
2009-08-15 10:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-15 19:15 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-16 7:16 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-17 13:54 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-17 14:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-17 14:14 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-17 14:58 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-17 15:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-17 17:41 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-17 20:17 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-18 8:46 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 15:19 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-18 16:25 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 15:53 ` [Alacrityvm-devel] " Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-18 16:51 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 17:27 ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-18 17:47 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 18:27 ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-18 18:52 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 20:59 ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-18 21:26 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 22:06 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 0:44 ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-19 5:26 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 0:38 ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-19 5:40 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 15:28 ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-19 15:37 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 16:29 ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-19 16:38 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 21:05 ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-08-20 9:57 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2009-08-20 9:57 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2009-08-20 10:08 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 20:35 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 21:04 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-18 20:39 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 20:57 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 23:24 ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-18 1:08 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-18 7:38 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 8:54 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 13:16 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-18 13:45 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 15:51 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-18 16:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-19 4:27 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19 5:22 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 13:27 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19 14:35 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-21 10:55 ` vbus design points: shm and shm-signals Gregory Haskins
2009-08-24 19:02 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-24 20:00 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-24 21:28 ` Gregory Haskins [this message]
2009-08-24 23:57 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-25 0:10 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-18 16:47 ` [PATCH v3 3/6] vbus: add a "vbus-proxy" bus model for vbus_driver objects Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 16:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-19 5:36 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19 5:48 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 6:40 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19 7:13 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 11:40 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19 11:49 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 11:52 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19 14:33 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-20 12:12 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-16 8:30 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-17 14:16 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-17 14:59 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-17 15:09 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-17 15:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-17 19:35 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-17 15:18 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-17 13:02 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-17 14:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-17 15:05 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-17 15:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-17 19:33 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-18 8:33 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 14:46 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-18 16:27 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 6:28 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19 7:11 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 18:23 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2009-08-19 18:39 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19 19:19 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2009-08-19 19:34 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2009-08-19 20:12 ` configfs/sysfs Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 20:48 ` configfs/sysfs Ingo Molnar
2009-08-19 20:53 ` configfs/sysfs Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 21:19 ` configfs/sysfs Nicholas A. Bellinger
2009-08-19 22:15 ` configfs/sysfs Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19 22:16 ` configfs/sysfs Joel Becker
2009-08-19 23:48 ` [Alacrityvm-devel] configfs/sysfs Alex Tsariounov
2009-08-19 23:54 ` configfs/sysfs Nicholas A. Bellinger
2009-08-20 6:09 ` configfs/sysfs Avi Kivity
2009-08-20 6:09 ` configfs/sysfs Avi Kivity
2009-08-20 22:48 ` configfs/sysfs Joel Becker
2009-08-21 4:14 ` configfs/sysfs Avi Kivity
2009-08-21 4:14 ` configfs/sysfs Avi Kivity
2009-08-21 4:14 ` configfs/sysfs Avi Kivity
2009-08-20 6:09 ` configfs/sysfs Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 18:26 ` [PATCH v3 3/6] vbus: add a "vbus-proxy" bus model for vbus_driver objects Gregory Haskins
2009-08-19 20:37 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 20:53 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-20 17:25 ` Muli Ben-Yehuda
2009-08-20 20:58 ` Caitlin Bestler
2009-08-20 20:58 ` Caitlin Bestler
2009-08-18 18:20 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-18 19:08 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-19 5:36 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-18 9:53 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 10:00 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 10:09 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 10:13 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 10:28 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 10:45 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 11:07 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 11:15 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 11:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-18 11:54 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-18 15:39 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-18 16:39 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-17 15:13 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-14 15:43 ` [PATCH v3 4/6] vbus-proxy: add a pci-to-vbus bridge Gregory Haskins
2009-08-14 15:43 ` [PATCH v3 5/6] ioq: add driver-side vbus helpers Gregory Haskins
2009-08-14 15:43 ` [PATCH v3 6/6] net: Add vbus_enet driver Gregory Haskins
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