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From: catalin.marinas@arm.com (Catalin Marinas)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Kernel related (?) user space crash at ARM11 MPCore
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:46:03 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4AB6B0AB.8040307@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090920190227.GB5413@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>

Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 10:31:39AM +0100, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
>> On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 09:39:00AM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
>>> I don't think it's recommended to clean the D-cache (and invalidate the
>>> I-cache) every time in copy_user_highpage, therefore cache maintenance
>>> via mprotect -> change_protection -> flush_cache_range may be a better
>>> option.
>> I really don't believe so - try it yourself - run some benchmarks on your
>> ARMv6 or v7 system, comparing the results both with and without the patch.
>> Especially pay attention to the process creation/shell script performance.
>> I think you'll find that with your patch, it'll be worse than ARM systems
>> running at similar clock rates with VIVT caches.
> 
> The figures reveal a 10% reduction in the performance of execve - that's
> quite a nasty hit, basically meaning shell scripts will run about 10%
> slower (shell scripts typically exec lots of programs.)
> 
> Using my proposal measures more favourably - there is no measurable impact
> on execve itself (maybe a 0.5% reduction, which I consider to be in the
> measurement noise), but a 5.5% reduction in the performance of fork()+exit()
> - this is using __cpuc_coherent_kern_range() in
> v6_copy_user_highpage_nonaliasing() to ensure the new page is fully
> coherent.

Thanks for running these benchmarks. The results on both your and my 
patch are affected by invalidating the whole I-cache in 
v6_coherent_user_range() rather than doing it by line (that's historical 
because of some erratum on ARM1136 - maybe we should fix this).

Another thing that's affecting the performance of my patch as it 
currently is (and withtout changing generic code) - the D-cache flushing 
generates a fault in some situations which takes time to process. I can 
fix this by using the VAtoPA translation registers in the 
coherent_user_range function.

Anyway, I think it depends on the type of applications you are running. 
I personally don't see shell performance too important, so we may 
disagree on the best fix here.

For a web server (Apache) where you have plenty of forks, your patch 
might affect the performance quite a lot as you get many 
copy_user_highpage() calls for CoW (BTW, unrelated to this issue, 
www.linux-arm.org, including the Git server, is hosted on a set of 
Marvell MV78100 boards - http://www.linux-arm.org/Main/LinuxArmOrg).

While we can choose benchmarks to show that either option is bad, we 
should probably try to get an optimal solution.

My view is that something similar to flush_dcache_page + 
update_mmu_cache would be better (though maybe not these functions 
directly but could try to reuse PG_arch_1).

> One thing I have noticed: it takes the Realview SMP board _two_ attempts
> to boot a kernel.  The first attempt tends to cause a spontaneous reboot
> when the CLCD controller is enabled, or possibly a hang.  The second
> attempt seems to always run fine.

I noticed this as well only on RealView EB but not all boards. The other 
SMP boards I have are fine. It could be a hardware bug, I don't see 
anything obvious in Linux.

-- 
Catalin

  reply	other threads:[~2009-09-20 22:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found]     ` <20090817140422.GA10764@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>
2009-08-29 12:27       ` Kernel related (?) user space crash at ARM11 MPCore Catalin Marinas
2009-08-31  8:30         ` Catalin Marinas
2009-09-07 15:29           ` Catalin Marinas
2009-09-07 15:56             ` Dirk Behme
2009-09-07 16:43               ` Catalin Marinas
2009-09-07 17:31             ` Mikael Pettersson
2009-09-07 21:40               ` Catalin Marinas
2009-09-03 11:58         ` Dirk Behme
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     [not found]           ` <1253435940.498.15.camel@pc1117.cambridge.arm.com>
2009-09-20  9:31             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-09-20 19:02               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-09-20 22:46                 ` Catalin Marinas [this message]
2009-09-21  8:31                   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-09-21  8:41                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-09-21  9:41                       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-09-21 10:08                         ` Catalin Marinas
2009-09-21  8:49                     ` Catalin Marinas
2009-09-21  8:54                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-09-21  9:44                         ` Catalin Marinas
2009-09-21 10:07                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-09-21 10:42                             ` Catalin Marinas
2009-09-21 20:10                             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-09-21 21:26                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-09-21 22:14                                 ` Catalin Marinas
2009-09-21 22:25                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-09-22  8:43                                   ` Catalin Marinas
2009-09-21 21:58                               ` Catalin Marinas
2009-09-21 22:12                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-09-21 22:31                                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-09-21 22:34                                   ` Catalin Marinas
2009-09-21 21:38                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-09-21 22:28                               ` Catalin Marinas
2009-09-21 22:37                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-09-21 22:33                               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-09-22  9:21                                 ` Catalin Marinas
2009-09-22 10:19                               ` Catalin Marinas
2009-09-22 17:17                                 ` Catalin Marinas
2009-09-23  6:03                                   ` Dirk Behme
2009-09-23  9:13                                     ` Catalin Marinas
2009-09-23 10:38                                       ` Catalin Marinas
2009-09-23 12:12                                         ` Mikael Pettersson
2009-09-23 12:42                                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-09-23 12:51                                             ` Catalin Marinas
2009-09-23 12:55                                               ` Catalin Marinas
2009-10-15 14:57                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-10-15 15:20                               ` Catalin Marinas
2009-10-15 15:28                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-10-15 15:56                                   ` Catalin Marinas
2009-10-20 11:39                                     ` Catalin Marinas
2009-10-25 13:39                                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-10-26 18:40                                         ` Catalin Marinas
2009-10-25 14:48                                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-10-26 18:45                                         ` Catalin Marinas
2009-10-26 19:17                                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-10-15 15:48                                 ` Dirk Behme
2009-10-15 15:53                                   ` Catalin Marinas
2009-10-25 13:04                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-10-26 18:18                                   ` Catalin Marinas
2009-09-20 22:02               ` Catalin Marinas
2009-09-22  5:44                 ` Shilimkar, Santosh
2009-09-22  9:01                   ` Catalin Marinas
2009-09-22  9:34                     ` Shilimkar, Santosh
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2009-09-11  9:21                 ` smsc911x.c driver and SMP (was Re: Kernel related (?) user space crash at ARM11 MPCore) Catalin Marinas
2009-09-11 12:55                   ` Bill Gatliff
2009-09-11 13:00                     ` Catalin Marinas
2009-09-11 15:20                       ` Bill Gatliff
2009-09-11 16:06                         ` Catalin Marinas
2009-10-06  6:12                           ` smsc911x.c driver and SMP Antti P Miettinen
2010-08-31  0:07                             ` Shinya Kuribayashi
2010-08-31  6:22                               ` Antti P Miettinen
2010-08-31  9:10                                 ` Shinya Kuribayashi
2010-08-31  8:33                               ` Catalin Marinas
2010-08-31  8:42                                 ` Shinya Kuribayashi

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