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From: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@domain.hid>
To: Gilles Chanteperdrix <gilles.chanteperdrix@xenomai.org>
Cc: Xenomai core <Xenomai-core@domain.hid>
Subject: Re: [Xenomai-core] RTDM fd support.
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:16:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4AC65172.8060900@domain.hid> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4AC62B41.3050404@domain.hid>

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Gilles Chanteperdrix wrote:
> Jan Kiszka wrote:
>> Gilles Chanteperdrix wrote:
>>> Hi Jan,
>>>
>>> from discussions on the mailing list, it seems that we are going to need
>>> that unified file descriptors thing. However, since everybody wants
>>> 2.5.0 to be released ASAP, we should try to think about any changes for
>>> this support which would break the ABI, do them now, and keep the rest
>>> for later.
>>>
>>> One such problem is the translation which currently exists between rtdm
>>> file descriptors and descriptors passed to the posix skin, by adding
>>> 1024 - 128. So, I propose to fix this issue.
>>>
>>> The idea Philippe had, and which I tend to agree to, was, in case of
>>> open/socket/accept, to open("/dev/null"), and use an association table
>>> somewhere to associate with the kernel-space descriptor number. Since
>>> we are at it, this association table could in fact be the file
>>> descriptor table, which we would put in the core skin ppd. The actual
>>> data structure should be sparse, a linked list does not scale, so,
>>> probably a hash would do. (I could also propose a solution based on avl
>>> trees, but their implementation is not nearly as simple).
>>>
>>> Additionnally, this would allow our open/socket to conform to posix
>>> which states that open should return the lowest free file descriptor.
>>>
>>> Should I propose a patch in that direction? Do you see any other
>>> possible cause of ABI breakage when we migrate to an unified file
>>> descriptors structure?
>> Right now this sounds like a plan - but I don't feel 100% comfortable to
>> predict that we will get along with it. Converting some skin-specific
>> service to a generic one involves quite a lot of refactoring. It is not
>> really unlikely that we define some ABI now that will later turn out to
>> be insufficient for what we want to achieve.
> 
> For the posix skin, I can live with a two hops solution right now, and
> implement the one-hop solution later.
> 
> user-space fd
>       |
>       | core skin fd table
>       v
> kernel-space fd
>       |
>       | posix skin registry
>       v
> actual object
> 
> If we do this, there is not much re-factoring involved.
> 
> The question really boils down to whether you accept this solution for
> the rtdm skin too.

Let me check if I got the idea: the first change would only modify the
librtdm and the rtdm part of libpthread_rt, right? The second step would
then, later on in the 2.5.x series, refactor the core to a generic fd
service, change the kernel ABI and adapt the libraries accordingly while
keeping the library ABI? That would only break statically linked Xenomai
apps, not sure if this is a problem, though.

Jan


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  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-02 19:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-02 15:42 [Xenomai-core] RTDM fd support Gilles Chanteperdrix
2009-10-02 16:19 ` Jan Kiszka
2009-10-02 16:33   ` Gilles Chanteperdrix
2009-10-02 19:16     ` Jan Kiszka [this message]
2009-10-02 20:04       ` Gilles Chanteperdrix
2009-10-02 20:15         ` Jan Kiszka
2009-10-02 20:18           ` Gilles Chanteperdrix
2009-10-02 20:26             ` Jan Kiszka
2009-10-02 20:45               ` Gilles Chanteperdrix
2009-10-03 17:39                 ` Jan Kiszka

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