Re: Hauppage WinTV-HVR-900H

[Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>]

Simon Kenyon wrote:
> James Peters wrote:
>> I have followed this one too for a longer time too. In general it
>> seems like that people were
>> just fighting the existing and working solution from Marcus. I'm
>> actually glad that someone is standing
>> up and trying to make everything easier now. It would be more helpful
>> if you could
>> add some helpful information how to get the devices work, rather than
>> complaining about
>> someone (especially on personal level as it seems) who supposingly
>> brought up a competitive solution.
>> The only issue I see is that this announced work is not opensource,
>> but I'd also rather leave that
>> one open to the enduser instead of generally fighting against it..
>> Some people here have an aggressiv
>> potential it seems.
>>   
> the OP wants analog to work on this device
> developers (certainly in the USA) have no incentive to work on that as 
> they have gone digital
> i personally cannot help with that device
>
The problem lies in the easy to use applications and UI being married to 
analog. The Linux digital applications are "build it yourself" like ham 
radio, while the Windows applications are like CB, plug and works. I 
have been trying for months to find any solution for a group of office 
workers who are trying to move off Fedora FC4 and FC6 (tvtime and mostly 
xawtv) and old Windows to new desktop, preferably FC11. I support their 
Linux servers, I am helping find a desktop solution because I believe in 
Linux (ie. I'm donating my time and the price of cards I bought for 
testing).

Their install "support" guy will plug cards in the box, or USB adaptors, 
and install an RPM. He won't install a bunch of RPMs, configure a 
database, and play dba to get mythtv working. The users understand 
selecting transport like digital-cable-us, analog-braodcast-us, S-video, 
and channels. They are not going to look up frequencies, build channel 
tables, of type transponder frequencies in kHz into vlc and similar. So 
if I could find a commercial solution for them, which they could install 
and run with minimal problem, I'd be happy. I like open source, I have 
supported open source back to stuff I wrote on MULTICS, but sometimes 
"working now" solutions are needed, not "help with development." And 
putting a bunch of partial solutions together is fine for Lego or 
Erector sets, not so much for office working wanting to install and use 
an intuitive solution.
> as for Marcus's stuff not being open source - well then what has it 
> got to do with this mailing list?
> anyway, it used to be open source - but he went off in a sulk because 
> people would not do things "the one true way" as he saw it
>
Is this list to promote video on Linux, or just some particular 
implementation of it? Is there a better list, where all competing 
hardware and software can be discussed as solutions without people 
getting flamed? I don't want to offend by talking about the wrong 
hardware brand, or software which can be used by a ten year old, but 
those are the kinds of Q&A I thought I'd find here.
> perhaps if you were to reread some of the old email threads you would 
> realise that you have not quite grasped the whole situation

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Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
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