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From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
To: Pete Zaitcev <zaitcev@redhat.com>
Cc: hail-devel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] chunkd: add support for multiple key/value tables
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:45:50 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4AF9C2EE.3040401@garzik.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091110093322.313563c2@redhat.com>

On 11/10/2009 11:33 AM, Pete Zaitcev wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:24:09 -0500, Jeff Garzik<jeff@garzik.org>  wrote:
>
>> 	LOGIN(user="jgarzik")
>> 	TABLE-OPEN(name="tabled")
>> 	GET...
>
> 2 more turnarounds per session? Brilliant!
>
> The theory behind this is sound: let's not saddle chunkd with caching
> authentication results, which is ineffective anyway, but provide
> a way for application to amortize the cost of authentication over
> a number of requests explicitly. But in practice it means tabled
> needs to keep inactive sessions open, which is a chunk of code for
> me to write (and debug!). I guess I'll do it in a few months...

chunkd protocol was never intended to be a connect+request+disconnect 
model...   HTTP 1.0 proved that was a bad model, which is why the world 
moved on to pipelined, multiple-request protocols. 
connect+request+disconnect protocols waste kernel, IPVS, firewall and 
router resources, and are distinctly network unfriendly.

So yeah...  tabled does need to keep chunkd sessions open, after a 
chunkd request completes.  That was always true, regardless of the 
multi-kv API change in $Subject.

As a matter of fact, libchunkdc is actually a limiting factor here: 
even though the chunkd network protocol is pipeline-able, libchunkdc 
always waits for a response before returning control back to the 
application.  That is not strictly necessary: an application could 
choose to submit 10 'DEL' requests in a single write(2), and then wait 
for 10 responses from the server, if it so wished.


>> @@ -29,9 +29,15 @@ static void test(bool encrypt)
>>   	stc1 = stc_new(TEST_HOST, port, TEST_USER, TEST_USER_KEY, encrypt);
>>   	OK(stc1);
>>
>> +	rcb = stc_table_openz(stc1, TEST_TABLE, 0);
>> +	OK(rcb);
>> +
>>   	stc2 = stc_new(TEST_HOST, port, TEST_USER2, TEST_USER2_KEY, encrypt);
>>   	OK(stc2);
>
> Having a default table? Naah, those lazy application programmers have
> it too easy already!
>
> Again, from the point of view of chunkd, this makes complete sense:
> why carry an extra (default) table in cases when application does
> in fact set its own tables, right?

If people want a default table, I can put it in.  MySQL tries to connect 
to a database $Username, if database name is not supplied, for example.

But yes, from point of view of chunkd simplicity, no-default-table is 
certainly more simple, which makes me reluctant to add it.

If the separate API call is bothersome, we could pass table name to 
stc_new().


>> +	/*
>> +	 * we must supply CHF_TABLE_NEW on the first iteration of
>> +	 * this test, because we are the first test in the testsuite,
>> +	 * and must create the database to be used by all other tests.
>> +	 */
>> +	rcb = stc_table_openz(stc, TEST_TABLE,
>> +			      ssl ? 0 : CHF_TABLE_NEW);
>> +	OK(rcb);
>
> You've got to be kidding me. How is tabled supposed to know that
> the request it's making is "first"?! I guess I have to supply
> CHF_TABLE_NEW to every call now, or else retry if InvalidTable
> is returned, I haven't decided what workaround to apply yet.

A fair question...  It seemed logical to create the table at the time a 
new chunkd node comes online, and that the application would want to 
always run in normal mode WITHOUT CHF_TABLE_NEW -- thus making a table's 
unexpected absence a hard error, mirroring real life.

Easy alternatives include (a) create on demand and never worry about 
this detail, and (b) add an 'exclusive' flag analagous to O_EXCL.  This 
complements CHF_TABLE_NEW, which is analagous to O_CREAT.

	Jeff


  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-10 19:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-10 11:24 [PATCH] chunkd: add support for multiple key/value tables Jeff Garzik
2009-11-10 16:33 ` Pete Zaitcev
2009-11-10 19:45   ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2009-11-10 19:50     ` Jeff Garzik
2009-11-10 20:46       ` chunkd design genesis, storage tech, and " Jeff Garzik
2009-11-11  1:48         ` Pete Zaitcev

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