From: "Alastair M. Robinson" <blackfive@fakenhamweb.co.uk>
To: Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com>
Cc: ICC DPWG <digital_photography@lists.color.org>,
edmund ronald <edmundronald@gmail.com>,
gimp-print-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
"'colorsync-users?lists.apple.com' List"
<colorsync-users@lists.apple.com>,
rlk@speakeasy.net, OpenICC Liste <openicc@lists.freedesktop.org>,
printing-architecture@lists.linux-foundation.org,
Thomas Lianza <TLianza@xrite.com>
Subject: Re: [Printing-architecture] [Gimp-print-devel] [Openicc] Colour
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:16:46 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4AFE838E.6060803@fakenhamweb.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <24965647-EFE8-4F71-961C-1F908CC7B3DF@apple.com>
Hi :)
Michael Sweet wrote:
> I humbly suggest that what you want is a utility that allows the user to
> print targets and generate/install ICC profiles for a particular
> combination of printer, media, and other settings. If you have to select
> a profile at print time, then the printing workflow is broken.
I have to disagree here. I have three different "grades" of glossy
photo paper here, from different manufacturers. In terms of the amount
of ink they'll take, and thus the correct print settings, they're pretty
much identical, but prints do look different on each, and they have a
very different "feel". Which of the three I use depends on how
"prestigious" I want a print to look, traded off against whether I want
to use the most expensive paper.
Each paper type has (and needs) its own profile, yet the printer driver
has no way of telling which of the three I'm using since the print
settings are identical. Thus, in my opinion, a printing workflow which
doesn't allow me to set a profile at print time is broken.
At best the print dialog can select a sane *default* profile, but it's
imperative that if the user "knows better" it can be overridden.
All the best
--
Alastair M. Robinson
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2008-11-27 16:17 [Printing-architecture] Next OP SC - Mon/Tue - 1/2 December 2008 - please join us Ira McDonald
2008-12-01 21:37 ` Till Kamppeter
2008-12-01 21:39 ` Till Kamppeter
2008-12-01 22:03 ` Norm Jacobs
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2009-02-04 1:11 ` Hal V. Engel
2009-03-10 0:03 ` [Printing-architecture] Last OP SC - Mon/Tue - 9/10 March " Till Kamppeter
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2009-06-02 18:41 ` Hal V. Engel
2009-07-07 22:25 ` [Printing-architecture] Last OP Meeting - Tue - 7 July " Till Kamppeter
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2009-11-04 9:33 ` [Printing-architecture] Last OP Meeting - Tue - 3 Nov " Till Kamppeter
2009-11-09 11:14 ` [Printing-architecture] Colour kate price
2009-11-09 23:42 ` Hal V. Engel
2009-11-10 13:32 ` Till Kamppeter
2009-11-11 9:28 ` [Printing-architecture] [Openicc] Colour Kai-Uwe Behrmann
2009-11-11 17:32 ` Hal V. Engel
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[not found] ` <A7277E6D-EAD7-4CD8-AD88-FB803B44EC74@apple.com>
2009-11-13 17:20 ` [Printing-architecture] [Gimp-print-devel] " Chris Murphy
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2009-11-14 0:39 ` Chris Murphy
[not found] ` <A388F76E-FFCF-49A4-94CB-A3DC103838DA@apple.com>
2009-11-14 10:10 ` Chris Murphy
[not found] ` <259EDC2F-D90C-4A5E-802F-F4C97AB4A08D@apple.com>
2009-11-15 19:32 ` Chris Murphy
[not found] ` <D365548B-A95D-4233-B810-5F0B291C6308@apple.com>
2009-11-16 3:53 ` Chris Murphy
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[not found] ` <77618445-60C9-4D30-99F8-B42DBCCBF24E@apple.com>
2009-11-15 20:12 ` Chris Murphy
2009-11-15 20:26 ` Hal V. Engel
2009-11-16 7:57 ` [Printing-architecture] [Openicc] [Gimp-print-devel] Colour Kai-Uwe Behrmann
2009-11-16 12:09 ` [Printing-architecture] [Gimp-print-devel] [Openicc] Colour kate price
2009-11-16 17:36 ` Kai-Uwe Behrmann
2009-11-16 20:16 ` [Printing-architecture] [Openicc] [Gimp-print-devel] Colour Chris Murphy
2009-11-16 21:31 ` Kai-Uwe Behrmann
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2009-11-17 5:28 ` Kai-Uwe Behrmann
2009-11-17 8:26 ` Chris Murphy
2009-11-17 13:39 ` Kai-Uwe Behrmann
2009-11-17 8:20 ` Chris Murphy
2009-11-16 21:08 ` [Printing-architecture] [Gimp-print-devel] [Openicc] Colour Hal V. Engel
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[not found] ` <alpine.LSU.2.00.0911152027440.4678@sirius.rasena>
2009-11-16 18:43 ` [Printing-architecture] [Openicc] [Gimp-print-devel] Colour Chris Murphy
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[not found] ` <24965647-EFE8-4F71-961C-1F908CC7B3DF@apple.com>
2009-11-14 10:16 ` Alastair M. Robinson [this message]
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2009-11-14 20:56 ` [Printing-architecture] [Gimp-print-devel] [Openicc] Colour Hal V. Engel
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2009-11-14 1:32 ` [Printing-architecture] [Openicc] [Gimp-print-devel] Colour Hal V. Engel
2009-11-14 10:29 ` Chris Murphy
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[not found] ` <FC7845A4-1F61-4FD7-85AE-A05EF0C448A4@apple.com>
2009-11-14 21:03 ` Hal V. Engel
2009-11-14 23:23 ` [Printing-architecture] [Gimp-print-devel] [Openicc] Colour Alastair M. Robinson
[not found] ` <200911142322.nAENMfHJ021771@dsl092-065-009.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net>
2009-11-14 23:34 ` Alastair M. Robinson
2009-11-24 0:22 ` [Printing-architecture] Last OP Meeting - Mon/Tue - 23/24 Nov 2009 - The Recording Till Kamppeter
2010-01-26 21:14 ` [Printing-architecture] Last OP Meeting - Tue - 26 Jan 2010 " Till Kamppeter
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2010-11-20 11:38 ` peter sikking
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