From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Juan Quintela <quintela@trasno.org>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: Live migration protocol, device features, ABIs and other beasts
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:44:14 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B0AD7FE.5000404@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3zl6db11z.fsf@neno.neno>
Juan Quintela wrote:
>> The problem here isn't migration, it's what you've decided to backport
>> into your stable branch.
>>
>
> No. the problem is that I made a mistake in the past. And didn't add a
> field to the state that I should. It just happens to work without that
> field in several use cases. But in others, it fails spectacularly.
> What to do here?
>
Blacklist the broken version of the format. If it's known to fail under
normal usage, that's the only right thing to do given the mechanisms we
possess today.
>> And from an upstream position, I would oppose implementing the pvclock
>> change in the stable branch exactly because of the problems it would
>> create with live migration.
>>
>
> Let's say that the problem is when half of the users told you that you
> can't change it in the stable branch, and the other half told you that
> without the change, migration don't work in a reliable way :(
>
If one user needs one behavior and another user absolute needs a
different behavior, you provide a mechanism for a user to choose which
policy they want.
See my proposal about configurable device blacklists.
> It does'nt matter what you do, you lose :(
>
If we stick strictly to providing mechanisms and default policies, we
can't lose because we always pass the blame higher in the stack :-)
Regards,
Anthony Liguroi
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-11-23 18:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-11-22 15:03 [Qemu-devel] Live migration protocol, device features, ABIs and other beasts Dor Laor
2009-11-22 15:49 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-22 20:22 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-23 2:17 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 8:18 ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-23 13:04 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 8:26 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 9:29 ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-23 9:31 ` Gleb Natapov
[not found] ` <m3einp4e7c.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 12:37 ` Gleb Natapov
[not found] ` <m3iqd14edf.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 12:36 ` Gleb Natapov
[not found] ` <m3r5rpwcww.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 14:32 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 14:51 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 14:53 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 15:05 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 15:22 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 15:30 ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-23 15:32 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 15:49 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 16:09 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 16:15 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 16:19 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <m33a45s009.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 16:05 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 16:10 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 13:28 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-23 13:01 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <m3vdh1wd0n.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 14:49 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 15:21 ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-23 16:16 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 17:08 ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-23 18:28 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 19:24 ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-23 19:49 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 21:21 ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-24 11:00 ` Dor Laor
[not found] ` <m3y6lxqkpv.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 16:44 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <m3zl6db11z.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 18:44 ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2009-11-23 20:24 ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-24 13:39 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-23 13:51 ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-23 14:21 ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-23 15:00 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 15:37 ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-23 15:02 ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-23 15:12 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 14:26 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-23 14:53 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 14:28 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 14:33 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 16:05 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
[not found] ` <m3skc2r66t.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-25 16:28 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 13:17 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 13:35 ` Paul Brook
2009-11-24 13:49 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 13:59 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paul Brook
2009-11-24 14:21 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 17:06 ` Blue Swirl
2009-11-24 17:08 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 17:43 ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-24 18:51 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 18:56 ` Blue Swirl
2009-11-24 19:24 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 18:57 ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-24 19:29 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 20:01 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
[not found] ` <m3my2ct2qe.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-24 17:41 ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-24 13:21 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 13:45 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 13:55 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-23 12:15 ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-23 13:09 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 14:13 ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-24 14:05 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 14:20 ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-24 14:35 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 13:42 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-25 13:42 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 14:10 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-25 14:09 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 14:52 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-26 18:03 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-11-25 13:36 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-25 13:40 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 13:59 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-25 14:03 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 14:53 ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-25 15:01 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 10:39 ` Dor Laor
2009-11-24 14:01 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 14:21 ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-24 14:38 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 16:05 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 9:30 ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-25 9:32 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 13:36 ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-24 13:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
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