From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NDDi1-0003In-H5 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 03:58:45 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NDDhx-0003Gi-10 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 03:58:45 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=42302 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NDDhw-0003GU-RY for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 03:58:40 -0500 Received: from mtagate1.uk.ibm.com ([194.196.100.161]:50673) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NDDhw-0002Vb-BY for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 03:58:40 -0500 Received: from d06nrmr1806.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06nrmr1806.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.39.193]) by mtagate1.uk.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nAP8wYPA009729 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:58:34 GMT Received: from d06av01.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06av01.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.37.212]) by d06nrmr1806.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v10.0) with ESMTP id nAP8wWV91143006 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:58:34 GMT Received: from d06av01.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d06av01.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id nAP8wW3D031004 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:58:32 GMT Message-ID: <4B0CF1E0.4030103@de.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:59:12 +0100 From: Carsten Otte MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/13] Add zipl bootloader interpreter References: <1259083781-14642-1-git-send-email-agraf@suse.de> <1259083781-14642-13-git-send-email-agraf@suse.de> <4B0C2BB7.5010203@codemonkey.ws> In-Reply-To: <4B0C2BB7.5010203@codemonkey.ws> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Id: qemu-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: Anthony Liguori Cc: Carsten Otte , Alexander Graf , Aurelien Jarno , qemu-devel@nongnu.org Anthony Liguori wrote: > This is a bit unfortunate. Wouldn't it be better to write a custom > version of zipl that ran in the guest? > > This is like implementing grub in qemu (or pygrub in Xen). The level of > security exposure this introduces is really scary. Oh that's really the wrong way to see it. We don't have bios, and therefore we need _some_ functionality to start up initial code on the disk. The interface that Alex is implementing is also used by the real hardware to load from disk in case a scsi/fcp volume is used, and it is part of the published machine architecture. That's very unlike grub.