From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1NDLt7-0006YA-Mu for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:42:45 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NDLt3-0006VO-7M for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:42:41 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NDLsy-0006SE-I9 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:42:40 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=48577 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NDLsy-0006SB-Dh for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:42:36 -0500 Received: from mail-ew0-f224.google.com ([209.85.219.224]:61047) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NDLsx-0000m6-TV for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:42:36 -0500 Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so4773835ewy.26 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:42:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-enigmail-version:content-type; bh=yOle7TDFXSdTtl9wMiV7zFTze1ZKzAJqSqL2nTQS56g=; b=wNMWow10kQsr1y8CbxR6lueXeEdpUaBrpUnmOmxRzh2bo9Az8k71E6dAJwGp+KKqQ/ M5wKAbwVjNJjYJbYvAbN5poyvR0YTKb9ALr+jZkOKPMFHEGrrEzj+1XJwYjgwvsMvAb9 IC92g3DwFGl0ZZ5rLJ4mWXkGeh3rHM2oxkwD4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type; b=gwXmYlU9kxvovaaM1TeNLKcEyRKaVqFXBQ03oVb7bCg1ABijPBW8erafXZiEYelJq3 rUeTZRnwX87s6xpz8mJuytd1xeR+AoLomNWkWUSm8pFQzU/S4N/A8kWyrrKivdXt1T77 WW0pchPoKj/xL4fWZdIa7VvEib7BIPCvBsOvs= Received: by 10.213.23.205 with SMTP id s13mr972175ebb.4.1259170954865; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:42:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from debian.bg45.phnet (gprs37.swisscom-mobile.ch [193.247.250.37]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm945649ewy.2.2009.11.25.09.42.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:42:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B0D6C79.50506@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:42:17 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?VmxhZGltaXIgJ8+GLWNvZGVyL3BoY29kZXInIFNlcmJpbmVua28=?= User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20091109) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: The development of GNU GRUB References: <20091124121027.GA317@thorin> <20091124173555.GA32105@thorin> <20091124110646.42f051d6@svelte> <4B0C3762.9000700@gmail.com> <20091124232059.GA5332@thorin> <4B0D07BB.9060400@gmail.com> <4B0D16D1.70300@gmail.com> <86dc1cfc0911250557i71443457mafb50aaf54cf389d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigC5AA338A059DE3E676F16237" X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Subject: Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GNU GRUB List-Id: The development of GNU GRUB List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:42:41 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigC5AA338A059DE3E676F16237 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michal Suchanek wrote: > 2009/11/25 feng shu : > =20 >> 2009/11/25 Vladimir '=CF=86-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko : >> =20 >>> Michal Suchanek wrote: >>> =20 > > =20 >>>> Also if worse comes to worst Indic, Arabic or Hebrew can be feasibly= >>>> written in Latin, Chinese cannot. >>>> >>>> =20 >>> pinyin. I know it's disagreable to read for native speakers, but it's= >>> similar for Arabic. >>> =20 >> show grub menu with pinyin? it is very very stupid. >> >> =20 I was mainly trying to say that menu with Russian or Arabic transliteration wouldn't make much sense either. > > I guess most people in Europe simply don't understand that pinyin is > unreadable. > =20 You're right I don't understand it. So please enlighten me. According to wikipedia pinyin is used for teaching Chinese language in school, and pinyin is a major input method used. Pinyin when used with all diacritics represents the words as they would be spoken aloud and yet you say that it's completely unreadable even by Mandarin speakers. I understand that a speaker of Cantonese or w=C7=94 wouldn't be able to understand it because pronunciation is different but why is it the case for Mandarin speaker too? Another question: do you think vertical (top-to-bottom instead of left-to-right) menu themes would be useful for Chinese and Japanese computers? > Fortunately, displaying Chinese characters should be well within the > capabilities of current gfxterm although the font is likely poor > quality. > > =20 Better fonts can be included but I would prefer not loading them by default instead if user needs it. Perhaps our grub.cfg generation system could scan configfiles and add fonts appropriately? > Any testers who can tell the difference between commonly used Chinese > fonts and GNU Unifont are welcome. > > Thanks > > Michal > > > _______________________________________________ > Grub-devel mailing list > Grub-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/grub-devel > > =20 --=20 Regards Vladimir '=CF=86-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko --------------enigC5AA338A059DE3E676F16237 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iF4EAREKAAYFAksNbIQACgkQNak7dOguQglt3QD/ZHKnU+fSYjK4EOX75NP5dC2Q eNzZcOjhpZ9RSxPrY44BAItI+/sfPv145gYKzBroDmA0rWLqZFdIguzqGns2GbYP =YSvh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigC5AA338A059DE3E676F16237--