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From: Olivier Sessink <oliviersessink@gmail.com>
To: dm-crypt@saout.de
Subject: Re: [dm-crypt] encrypted root: prevent / detect tampering with kernel / initrd
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:25:14 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B39F52A.20009@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091228231158.GB16466@fancy-poultry.org>

Heinz Diehl wrote:
> On 28.12.2009, Olivier Sessink wrote: 
> 
>> yes you are 100% right from a perfect security viewpoint. However,
>> we're looking at a "regular user" deployment, and we know that our
>> regular users are not going to look after their devices as good as
>> most IT security professionals will do (they might even carry their
>> password in their wallet, or tell the password over the phone). So
>> our aim is not 100% perfect security, but just "make it (a lot)
>> harder" to get to the data.
> 
> Anybody who has the skills and the motivation to modify your kernel/initrd
> is far from being your "regular user", and is most likely able and has the
> expertise to do other things to your machine as well.
> 
> "Please repeat with me: there is no way to avoid or detect backdoors if
> physical access to the machine has ever been granted." (Werner Koch on
> gnupg-users 19.02.2009 on exactly the same topic).

I seem to be unable to find this discussion in
http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2009-February/date.html

are you sure about this date?

Olivier

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-12-29 12:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-12-28 20:28 [dm-crypt] encrypted root: prevent / detect tampering with kernel / initrd Olivier Sessink
2009-12-28 21:20 ` Luca Berra
2009-12-28 21:41   ` Olivier Sessink
2009-12-28 23:11     ` Heinz Diehl
2009-12-29 10:05       ` Olivier Sessink
2009-12-29 10:23       ` [lesh] Ivan Nikolic
2009-12-29 12:25       ` Olivier Sessink [this message]
2009-12-29 12:37         ` Milan Broz
2009-12-29 20:24       ` Arno Wagner
2009-12-29 21:15         ` Heinz Diehl
2009-12-29 23:02           ` Olivier Sessink
2009-12-30  2:52           ` Arno Wagner
2009-12-30 14:16             ` Heinz Diehl
2009-12-30 15:34               ` Arno Wagner
2009-12-29 21:31         ` Hannes Erven
2009-12-29 21:41           ` Gregy
2009-12-30  2:53           ` Arno Wagner
2009-12-28 22:41 ` Zdenek Kaspar
2009-12-28 22:51   ` Zdenek Kaspar
2009-12-28 22:57 ` Heinz Diehl
2009-12-29 20:18 ` Arno Wagner
2009-12-29 22:52   ` Olivier Sessink
2009-12-30  2:56     ` Arno Wagner
2009-12-30 10:48       ` Olivier Sessink
2009-12-30 15:28         ` Arno Wagner

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