From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.speedxs.nl (smtp-filter-01.speedxs.nl [83.98.255.32]) by mail.saout.de (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:02:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from cort.fakenet (unknown [83.98.244.209]) by smtp.speedxs.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D53522D04D for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:02:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.140] (unknown [192.168.0.140]) by cort.fakenet (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0129BA03F for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:02:22 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B3A8A7E.9000002@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:02:22 +0100 From: Olivier Sessink MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4B3914FB.7060008@gmail.com> <20091228212038.GB2224@maude.comedia.it> <4B3925F0.4050409@gmail.com> <20091228231158.GB16466@fancy-poultry.org> <20091229202429.GB17029@tansi.org> <20091229211536.GA31271@fancy-poultry.org> In-Reply-To: <20091229211536.GA31271@fancy-poultry.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [dm-crypt] encrypted root: prevent / detect tampering with kernel / initrd List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: dm-crypt@saout.de Heinz Diehl wrote: > On 29.12.2009, Arno Wagner wrote: > >> I don't agree. But you have to think outside of the box and use a >> separate, uncompromised boot medium that the attacker did not have >> access to. > > Sorry, but I can't see how this would help. The attacker installs a > hardware keylogger and just doesn't care. I don't see the averae script kiddie install a hardware keylogger in a modern laptop. If you have an intelligence agency after you you're screwed anyway. They'll use a tempest attack or something so you won't even notice that you gave them your password (I don't have a tempest proof room in my house, perhaps other people have?). So it's a matter of security management. For highly confidential data you need ($$$) a tempest proof environment with armed guards. For only slightly sensitive data, simple disk encryption and some measures against script kiddies are usually enough. Olivier