From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1NQkoR-0002Fy-PH for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 11:57:19 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NQkoP-0002E6-Vd for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 11:57:18 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NQkoL-0002AY-Fm for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 11:57:17 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=34156 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NQkoL-0002AV-CR for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 11:57:13 -0500 Received: from mail-gx0-f224.google.com ([209.85.217.224]:47195) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NQkoL-0002SP-03 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 11:57:13 -0500 Received: by gxk24 with SMTP id 24so12930806gxk.6 for ; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 08:57:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9HiCpK1JJe/Ek3Vah6QFiLMLAxDesjYdD6lUb20oMeU=; b=VD/wjczDlSY40yLHWkWixesb9ebe1h6XNPHBZtxCg+UKC63lFaUKdZzO3fgNfkAk8m PrtODRwjIIm1mLr6Q4+QQ9UdeZBygqi7GSxHWEo4qT4hProT2xuJ0xIgh29M+Mr9nrBT oZf70yewlf+5s1MJhdomP2QuIBbpa7zuysQV8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=h9nan0DP4Oy5FJca+KOCLfjG599decOc+hM9V70mXGPphB11ObPefGfxaFcdseX0bn OYL3bEz/mT7S2SHsbsRlpW2i0DRKm1IeEm6Y9Kd7h3X//PTzrzg4q2XwyH841VYLY9S0 +SJRSAnfzU/9bpTn8/xln6W3k3w11v3oERuMg= Received: by 10.150.172.38 with SMTP id u38mr11373741ybe.328.1262365030362; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 08:57:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.75? (cpe-24-174-183-197.satx.res.rr.com [24.174.183.197]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm5354634ywh.46.2010.01.01.08.57.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 01 Jan 2010 08:57:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B3E2964.8000002@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 10:57:08 -0600 From: Bruce Dubbs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.16) Gecko/20080722 SeaMonkey/1.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: The development of GNU GRUB References: <20091209215253.GH7093@thorin> <4B20225C.40807@gmail.com> <1260398055.2881.14.camel@fz.local> <4B203295.2020102@gmail.com> <1260404737.2881.27.camel@fz.local> <4B208FAA.6020709@gmail.com> <1260440124.2890.5.camel@fz.local> <4B211FC5.3080404@gmail.com> <20091224211319.GE12122@thorin> <4B397C97.90107@gmail.com> <20100101113333.GB3692@thorin> In-Reply-To: <20100101113333.GB3692@thorin> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Subject: Re: autogen.sh warnings X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GNU GRUB List-Id: The development of GNU GRUB List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:57:18 -0000 Robert Millan wrote: > On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 09:50:47PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> Robert Millan wrote: >>> What is exactly the problem? >> Using automake without Makefile.am is non-standard and not provided for >> within automake. The only thing we use automake for is to copy >> config.{guess,sub} to the root of the root of the source. >> >> Also, building as one large monolithic Makefile with includes built via >> scripts is probably not optimal from a comprehension point of view. > > That's a long-standing problem, with no easy solution. That's for sure. > But as for automake, > I don't think it'd be a bad idea to migrate Makefile.in to Makefile.am. We > already have kludges in Makefile.in (e.g. docs/version.texi generation) which > would completely disappear if this file was automake'd. > > Any takers? I thought about it, but I really don't have much experience writing for autotools. AFAICT, it would require getting rid of all the ruby and gen*.sh scripts and generally be very invasive. As you know, GRUB supports many OSes, file systems, and BIOSes. The nature of the process is closer to an operating system than a standard program. The more I look at it, the more impressed I am that you guys get as much as you do working. I think it would take many iterations to get an autotooled build system right. -- Bruce