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From: Darren Hart <dvhltc-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Petr Baudis <pasky-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	drepper-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	Michael Kerrisk
	<mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-man-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>,
	Eric Dumazet
	<eric.dumazet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Dinakar Guniguntala
	<dino-xthvdsQ13ZrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	John Stultz <johnstul-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	John Kacur <jkacur-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: Futex manpages out of date
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:51:54 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B5491AA.3090203@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100118164000.GK2249-DDGJ70k9y3lX+M3pkMnKjw@public.gmane.org>

Petr Baudis wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 06:11:24PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>> On Fri, 2010-01-15 at 08:58 -0800, Darren Hart wrote:
>>> The futex man-pages (2,7) from version 3.15-1 and at least a few earlier
>>> versions are considerably out of date with respect to the current
>>> implementation. They don't document newer op codes, such as:
>>>
>>> FUTEX_WAIT_BITSET
>>> FUTEX_WAKE_BITSET
>>> FUTEX_WAKE_OP
>>> FUTEX_LOCK_PI
>>> FUTEX_UNLOCK_PI
>>> FUTEX_WAIT_REQUEUE_PI
>>> FUTEX_CMP_REQUEUE_PI
>>>
>>> These new wait op codes now use absolute timeouts, while the original
>>> FUTEX_WAIT uses a relative timeout. Lastly, and most importantly, glibc
>>> has removed the futex() wrapper to syscall(SYS_futex, ...). With that in
>>> mind, would people prefer that we simply remove the futex man-pages
>>> (2,7)?
>> A readable text about the interaction between the futex value and the
>> various futex ops and how to build proper locking primitives with them
>> would be helpful I think, however doing that in the form of a locking
>> library (as has been suggested at KS) seems plenty fine to me.
>>
>> Readable code is much better than rambling English at conveying this
>> stuff.
> 
> http://people.redhat.com/drepper/futex.pdf is pretty good description,
> unfortunately also outdated by now. Perhaps it would be interesting to
> convert this into some kind of wiki form with Ulrich's permission?

Does anyone know what is being done documentation-wise with other 
syscalls? I believe glibc has removed other wrappers as well. In my 
opinion the best place for this is in the linux kernel Documentation 
directory. I have already documented requeue_pi there. Ulrich's paper 
would server as an excellent starting point for a sysfutex.txt or 
futex_usage.txt file.

Ulrich, do you have a preference or any requirements on how your work is 
used?

-- 
Darren Hart
IBM Linux Technology Center
Real-Time Linux Team
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-01-18 16:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-15 16:58 Futex manpages out of date Darren Hart
     [not found] ` <4B509EA1.8060509-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-15 17:11   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-15 17:13     ` Darren Hart
     [not found]       ` <4B50A228.8070401-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-15 17:14         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-18 16:40     ` Petr Baudis
     [not found]       ` <20100118164000.GK2249-DDGJ70k9y3lX+M3pkMnKjw@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-18 16:51         ` Darren Hart [this message]
2010-01-18 17:03         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-18 17:23           ` Darren Hart

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