From: Weidong Han <weidong.han@intel.com>
To: "Pasi Kärkkäinen" <pasik@iki.fi>
Cc: "xen-devel@lists.xensource.com" <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
Noboru Iwamatsu <n_iwamatsu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
"Cihula, Joseph" <joseph.cihula@intel.com>,
"Kay, Allen M" <allen.m.kay@intel.com>,
Sander Eikelenboom <linux@eikelenboom.it>,
"keir.fraser@eu.citrix.com" <keir.fraser@eu.citrix.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] VT-d: improve RMRR validity checking
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:40:10 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B5AEE2A.5040100@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100122123235.GZ2861@reaktio.net>
Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 08:15:11PM +0800, Weidong Han wrote:
>
>> Sander Eikelenboom wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Weidong,
>>>
>>> Wouldn't it be more clear to add an option to iommu= for this case ?
>>>
>>> if iommu=on,..,..,security
>>>
>>> With the security option specified:
>>> -it would be most strict in it's checks, since enforcing security with the iommu requires that as you have pointed out.
>>> -warn,fail or panic incase it can't enable all to enforce the security.
>>>
>>>
>> iommu=force is for security. It does as you described above. So I think
>> "security" option is not necessary.
>>
>>> Without the security option specified (default)
>>> - it tries to work as with the security option specified
>>> - but incase of problems makes the assumption the iommu's main task is not security, but making as much of vt-d working to keep the passthrough functionality
>>> - it will only warn, that you will lose the security part, that it would be wise to let your bios be fixed, and not making it panic
>>> - and keep vt-d enabled
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> the default iommu=1 works like iommu=force if BIOS is correct. But in
>> fact we encountered some buggy BIOS, and then we added some workarounds
>> to make VT-d still be enabled, or warn and disable VT-d if the issue is
>> regarded as invalid and cannot be workarounded. These workarounds make
>> Xen more defensive to VT-d BIOS issues. The panic only occurs when
>> operating VT-d hardware fails, because it means the hardware is possibly
>> malfunctional.
>>
>> In short, default iommu=1 can workaround known VT-d BIOS issues we
>> observed till now, while iommu=force ensures best security provided by
>> VT-d.
>>
>>
>
> So the default iommu=1 might be insecure? And iommu=force is always secure?
>
> To me "force" sounds like it makes it work always, no matter if it's secure or not..
>
The "security" here means the protection provided VT-d. The main
difference between them is iommu=force tries to enable all VT-d units in
any case, if any VT-d unit cannot enabled, it will quit Xen booting
(panic), thus it guarantees security provided by VT-d. while when
iommu=1, in order to workaround some BIOS issues, it will ignore some
invalid DRHDs, or disable whole VT-d to keep Xen work without VT-d.
Regards,
Weidong
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-01-23 12:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-01-21 2:46 [PATCH] VT-d: improve RMRR validity checking Han, Weidong
2010-01-21 8:25 ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-21 8:38 ` Han, Weidong
2010-01-21 10:03 ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-21 10:08 ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-21 10:19 ` Weidong Han
2010-01-21 10:27 ` Keir Fraser
2010-01-21 10:49 ` Weidong Han
2010-01-21 12:19 ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-21 12:46 ` Weidong Han
2010-01-21 14:01 ` Keir Fraser
2010-01-21 14:17 ` Sander Eikelenboom
2010-01-21 14:33 ` Keir Fraser
2010-01-22 2:12 ` Weidong Han
2010-01-22 2:38 ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-22 2:53 ` Weidong Han
2010-01-22 3:16 ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-22 8:47 ` Weidong Han
2010-01-22 9:19 ` Sander Eikelenboom
2010-01-22 12:15 ` Weidong Han
2010-01-22 12:32 ` Pasi Kärkkäinen
2010-01-23 12:40 ` Weidong Han [this message]
2010-01-23 13:08 ` Pasi Kärkkäinen
2010-01-23 14:33 ` Sander Eikelenboom
2010-01-23 14:54 ` [PATCH] VT-d: improve RMRR validity checking, documenting boot options Pasi Kärkkäinen
2010-01-25 16:40 ` Stephen Spector
2010-01-25 16:58 ` Documentation Xen-hypervisor and Dom0 xen-related boot options (was Re: [PATCH] VT-d: improve RMRR validity checking, documenting boot options) Sander Eikelenboom
2010-01-25 20:56 ` Stephen Spector
2010-01-27 11:33 ` Pasi Kärkkäinen
2010-01-25 7:06 ` [PATCH] VT-d: improve RMRR validity checking Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-25 7:56 ` Weidong Han
2010-01-25 9:02 ` Sander Eikelenboom
2010-01-25 9:11 ` Weidong Han
2010-01-25 9:22 ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-25 10:08 ` Weidong Han
2010-01-25 10:45 ` Sander Eikelenboom
2010-01-25 13:43 ` Keir Fraser
2010-01-25 13:57 ` Christian Tramnitz
2010-01-25 14:10 ` Weidong Han
2010-01-26 1:16 ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-26 5:51 ` Weidong Han
2010-01-26 6:38 ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-26 6:42 ` Weidong Han
2010-01-25 14:12 ` Weidong Han
2010-01-25 14:13 ` Han, Weidong
2010-03-09 21:39 ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-09 21:30 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2010-03-09 21:57 ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-09 22:22 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2010-03-09 23:05 ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-09 23:25 ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-10 2:13 ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-10 2:40 ` Weidong Han
2010-03-10 3:18 ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-10 3:28 ` Weidong Han
2010-03-10 3:37 ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-10 4:25 ` Weidong Han
2010-03-10 4:47 ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-10 7:03 ` Weidong Han
2010-03-10 13:56 ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-10 18:06 ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-11 2:11 ` Weidong Han
2010-03-11 2:32 ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-11 3:44 ` Weidong Han
2010-03-11 4:52 ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-11 8:30 ` Weidong Han
2010-01-21 15:28 ` Andrew Lyon
2010-01-21 15:04 ` Keir Fraser
2010-01-22 1:35 ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-21 10:13 ` Weidong Han
2010-01-21 12:09 ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-21 12:38 ` Weidong Han
2010-01-22 0:23 ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-21 8:45 ` Andrew Lyon
2010-01-21 10:03 ` Weidong Han
2010-01-21 9:15 ` Keir Fraser
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