From: "Justin P. Mattock" <justinmattock@gmail.com>
To: Jean Delvare <khali@linux-fr.org>
Cc: Phillip Lougher <phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk>,
"FTPAdmin Kernel.org" <ftpadmin@kernel.org>,
lasse.collin@tukaani.org, mirrors@kernel.org,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
users@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [kernel.org users] XZ Migration discussion
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 01:53:07 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B77C803.6080900@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100214103226.64736ce5@hyperion.delvare>
On 02/14/10 01:32, Jean Delvare wrote:
> Hi Phillip,
>
> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 22:37:41 +0000, Phillip Lougher wrote:
>> Embedded and enterprise distro users are usually stuck on ancient kernels that
>> were downloaded from kernel.org and patched *years ago*. The reason they're
>> stuck on them is due to local modifications, and so they're not going to be
>> downloading ancient vanilla kernels from kernel.org now.
>
> They perfectly could. This is exactly what we're doing at Suse and I can
> easily imagine other companies follow the same model. We store our
> local changes as patches on top of the old kernel version. When a new
> developer joins the team and needs to setup a working tree, our setup
> script gets the patches from our internal repository, fetches the
> relevant kernel tarball from kernel.org, unpacks it and applies all the
> patches.
>
> This is one of the reasons why others have been claiming in this
> discussion: it would be weird if files which were previously available
> would suddenly disappear. We can discuss the cost and benefits of any
> change done to the tree structure, compression formats etc. but please
> do not assume that nobody is downloading the old files from kernel.org.
>
> Personally I wouldn't mind at all if old files would disappear and our
> tools have to be adjusted accordingly, as long as it happens only once
> in a long while and not on a regular basis by (broken) design.
>
not trying to cut in, but the best example I can see for this
(hopefully), or a good example of just changing everything
(cut the middle man per say)is libc there is no libc-2.11.90.so
.tar.gz(etc..)only through git(but could be wrong).
My system that I built is only handling everything(meaning every package
as much as possible)through git.
Justin P. Mattock
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-02-14 9:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-02-11 18:36 XZ Migration discussion J.H.
2010-02-11 19:44 ` david
2010-02-11 19:48 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-12 0:14 ` [kernel.org mirrors] " Carlos Carvalho
2010-02-11 20:22 ` [kernel.org users] " Willy Tarreau
2010-02-11 20:51 ` Pavel Machek
2010-02-11 22:22 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-12 14:35 ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-13 17:10 ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-13 18:49 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2010-02-13 19:30 ` Randy Dunlap
2010-02-16 14:55 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-13 23:28 ` Stefan Richter
2010-02-14 9:07 ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-13 23:52 ` Phillip Lougher
2010-02-14 9:23 ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-14 9:33 ` Justin P. Mattock
2010-02-14 9:49 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-02-14 12:43 ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-15 21:31 ` James Cloos
2010-02-17 5:40 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-02-17 5:54 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-17 10:22 ` Petri Kaukasoina
2010-02-17 10:25 ` Petri Kaukasoina
2010-02-14 9:56 ` Andi Kleen
2010-02-18 23:59 ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-02-14 10:16 ` Lasse Collin
2010-02-12 14:01 ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-12 15:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-02-12 19:02 ` J.H.
2010-02-12 19:23 ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-12 23:07 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-02-13 6:20 ` Pavel Machek
2010-02-13 10:06 ` Stefan Richter
2010-02-13 10:21 ` Stefan Richter
2010-02-14 9:56 ` Lasse Collin
2010-02-13 8:17 ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-13 9:59 ` Stefan Richter
2010-02-13 10:18 ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-13 21:37 ` [kernel] " Mr. James W. Laferriere
2010-02-13 22:39 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2010-02-15 19:33 ` [kernel.org users] [kernel] " Steve French
2010-02-16 9:16 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2010-02-16 15:13 ` J.H.
2010-02-14 17:13 ` [kernel.org users] " Pavel Machek
2010-02-14 17:33 ` Stefan Richter
2010-02-14 20:51 ` Pavel Machek
2010-02-15 8:48 ` Stefan Richter
2010-02-15 23:32 ` Tom Rini
2010-02-16 8:21 ` Stefan Richter
2010-02-14 17:07 ` Pavel Machek
2010-02-14 18:39 ` Stefan Richter
2010-02-14 21:04 ` david
2010-02-14 21:32 ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-14 18:59 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-14 19:08 ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-15 15:15 ` tytso
2010-02-16 15:29 ` J.H.
2010-02-16 16:03 ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-17 1:36 ` David Rees
2010-02-16 14:00 ` Pavel Machek
2010-02-19 0:08 ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-02-19 4:38 ` J.H.
2010-02-12 15:25 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-12 16:11 ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-12 16:30 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-12 16:44 ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-12 20:34 ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-12 21:16 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-16 15:39 ` ketchup was " Pavel Machek
2010-02-16 16:17 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-16 16:27 ` Pavel Machek
2010-02-21 13:53 ` Pavel Machek
2010-02-21 14:26 ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-21 19:28 ` Pavel Machek
2010-02-22 18:59 ` Pavel Machek
2010-02-23 13:14 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-23 20:32 ` Pavel Machek
2010-02-12 19:02 ` Phillip Lougher
2010-02-12 19:32 ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-12 19:57 ` Phillip Lougher
2010-02-12 21:59 ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-12 23:30 ` Phillip Lougher
2010-02-12 23:39 ` Phillip Lougher
2010-02-13 7:31 ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-13 22:37 ` Phillip Lougher
2010-02-14 9:32 ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-14 9:53 ` Justin P. Mattock [this message]
[not found] ` <20100212223547.GN5186@tux>
2010-02-13 7:20 ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-12 19:03 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-12 20:25 ` Matthew Wilcox
2010-02-12 21:54 ` Greg KH
2010-02-12 21:58 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-14 14:49 ` Harald Arnesen
2010-02-14 18:34 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-12 20:31 ` [kernel.org mirrors] " Sleddens, J.P.G.
2010-02-12 22:11 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-12 23:14 ` [kernel.org users] [kernel.org mirrors] " Willy Tarreau
2010-02-13 7:42 ` [kernel.org users] " Tony Luck
2010-02-13 8:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-13 8:53 ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-14 5:43 ` H. Peter Anvin
[not found] ` <987664A83D2D224EAE907B061CE93D53123E0ED5@orsmsx505.amr.corp.intel.com>
2010-02-17 0:11 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-14 18:03 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-14 22:27 ` Stephen Hemminger
2010-02-15 16:15 ` Jean Delvare
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