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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>
Cc: Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 0/9] Virtio cleanups
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:13:09 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BA815A5.6070708@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201003222101.00061.paul@codesourcery.com>

On 03/22/2010 04:00 PM, Paul Brook wrote:
>> On 03/22/2010 11:16 AM, Paul Brook wrote:
>>      
>>>> But look at the lguest virtio implement.  We would definitely model a
>>>> VirtIOBus if we implemented something like that in qemu.  VirtIO really
>>>> is designed to be a bus.
>>>>          
>>> When you say "bus" you actually mean point-point connection, right[1]?
>>> I don't see anything in virtio that allows arbitration of multiple
>>> devices, or any particular need for one as it can be handled by the host
>>> bus bindings.
>>>        
>> Virtio itself doesn't define any type of bus operations but is designed
>> to let it nicely fit into existing bus infrastructures.
>>      
> My understanding is that virtio specifies transport agnostic queueing API for
> passing buffers of data, and a small device specific config space.  IMO a qemu
> virtio bus should implement exactly that.  The host bridge submits buffers,
> and the device processes them. Allowing more than one device on this bus just
> adds complication for no benefit.  The only reason to have multiple devices on
> a single bus is so that the can arbitrate a shared resource, and in this case
> we have no resources to share.  If a single host device wants to support
> multiple virtio devices then it can create multiple busses.
>
> The purpose of the virtio bus is to expose the isolation between virtio device
> and host bridge/binding to the user. This allows virtio devices to be
> configured consistently without having to duplicate N hosts * M devices.
>    

I think we ultimately agree.  I think your point is that it's not 
technically a bus but it's convenient to model it that way.  I 
definitely understand that point.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

  reply	other threads:[~2010-03-23  1:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-16 18:51 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/9] Virtio cleanups Juan Quintela
2010-03-16 18:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/9] qemu/pci: document msix_entries_nr field Juan Quintela
2010-03-16 18:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/9] virtio: Teach virtio-balloon about DO_UPCAST Juan Quintela
2010-03-18  7:29   ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-03-16 18:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/9] virtio: Teach virtio-blk " Juan Quintela
2010-03-18  7:29   ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-03-16 18:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/9] virtio: Teach virtio-net " Juan Quintela
2010-03-18  7:29   ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-03-16 18:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 5/9] virtio: Use DO_UPCAST instead of a cast Juan Quintela
2010-03-18  7:30   ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-03-16 18:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 6/9] virtio-pci: Remove duplicate test Juan Quintela
2010-03-18  7:25   ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-03-18  8:26     ` Juan Quintela
2010-03-18  8:47       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-03-18  8:59         ` Juan Quintela
2010-03-18  9:11           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-03-18 11:40             ` Juan Quintela
2010-03-18 13:24               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-03-18 13:47                 ` Juan Quintela
2010-03-16 18:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 7/9] QLIST: Introduce QLIST_COPY_HEAD Juan Quintela
2010-03-16 18:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 8/9] virtio-blk: change rq type to VirtIOBlockReq Juan Quintela
2010-03-18  7:27   ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-03-16 18:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 9/9] virtio-blk: use QLIST for the list of requests Juan Quintela
2010-03-18  6:40 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 0/9] Virtio cleanups Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-03-18  7:36   ` Juan Quintela
2010-03-18  7:42     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-03-18  8:36       ` Juan Quintela
2010-03-18  9:07         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-03-18 11:53           ` Juan Quintela
2010-03-18 12:33             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-03-18 13:43               ` Juan Quintela
2010-03-18 13:47                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-03-18 14:21                   ` Juan Quintela
2010-03-18 17:13                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-03-19  1:41             ` Jamie Lokier
2010-03-21 14:31               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-03-21 18:11                 ` Jamie Lokier
2010-03-21 19:16                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-03-22  1:06                     ` Juan Quintela
2010-03-22  2:51                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-22 13:30                         ` Paul Brook
2010-03-22 14:49                           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-22 14:50                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-03-22 15:03                               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-22 15:17                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-03-22 15:50                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-22 16:16                                     ` Paul Brook
2010-03-22 18:48                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-22 21:00                                         ` Paul Brook
2010-03-23  1:13                                           ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2010-03-22 15:51                                   ` Paul Brook
2010-03-22 17:19                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-03-22 22:16                                       ` Juan Quintela
2010-03-23  0:49                                         ` Paul Brook
2010-03-23  1:16                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-23 10:47                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-03-23 11:11                                               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-03-23 11:40                                               ` Paul Brook
2010-03-23 11:58                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-03-23 12:32                                                   ` Juan Quintela
2010-03-21 19:57                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-03-22  1:13                     ` Juan Quintela
2010-03-22  8:37                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-03-18 10:05         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-03-18 15:43     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-03-18 16:20       ` Juan Quintela
2010-03-18 16:36         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-03-18 17:08           ` Juan Quintela
2010-03-18 17:21             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-03-18 19:37               ` Juan Quintela
2010-03-18 20:07           ` Anthony Liguori

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