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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: "libvir-list@redhat.com" <libvir-list@redhat.com>,
	Jiri Denemark <jdenemar@redhat.com>,
	Chris Lalancette <clalance@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Luiz Capitulino <lcapitulino@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Libvirt debug API
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 08:43:16 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BD59874.2000207@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100426133120.GD1342@redhat.com>

On 04/26/2010 08:31 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> What you describe is not inherant to the daemon model. This is why we have
> two separate models in libvirt. The system instance is pre-spawned with
> high privileges, to allow use of hosts resources which require high
> privileges to access. The session instance is auto-spawned when the app
> connects to libvirt, thus it inherits the privileges of the app that is
> using it.
>
> I don't deny that the system instance has a new attack surface, because it
> is running privileged. If the app needs to connect VMs to privileged
> resources, then the architecture has to have some privileged component
> to give access to those resoruces. You don't want the VM to be privileged,
> nor the whole management app to be privileged. The system daemon is thus the
> arbitrator for this privileged access. If you don't need todo anything that
> requires higher privileges though, just use the session instance which
> always matches the apps privileges.
>    

I regret saying "more secure" because I think it's a difficult concept 
to really quantify and that makes it hard to meaningfully discuss.

The reason I lean toward the direct launch model is that it gives the 
user a lot of flexibility in terms of using things like namespaces, DAC, 
cgroups, capabilities, etc.  A lot of potential features are lost when 
you do indirect launch because you have to teach the daemon how to 
support each of these features.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

> Daniel
>    

  reply	other threads:[~2010-04-26 13:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-09 13:41 [Qemu-devel] Libvirt debug API Chris Lalancette
2010-04-09 14:27 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] " Daniel P. Berrange
2010-04-09 18:16   ` Chris Lalancette
2010-04-12 12:41     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-04-12 13:56       ` Chris Lalancette
2010-04-12 14:18         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-04-09 21:06   ` Jamie Lokier
2010-04-09 21:30     ` [libvirt] [Qemu-devel] " Eric Blake
2010-04-10 12:05       ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-04-11 20:28     ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] " Richard W.M. Jones
2010-04-11 22:17       ` Jamie Lokier
     [not found]         ` <20100412085621.GN26162@redhat.com>
2010-04-12 12:23           ` [libvirt] [Qemu-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2010-04-12 13:05             ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-04-22 18:47             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-04-23  6:36               ` Jes Sorensen
2010-04-23 10:30               ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-04-12 12:53         ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] " Daniel P. Berrange
2010-04-12 15:20   ` Luiz Capitulino
2010-04-22 18:49     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-04-23 12:48       ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-23 13:48         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-04-23 14:24           ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-23 14:36             ` [libvirt] [Qemu-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2010-04-26 12:54               ` Jamie Lokier
2010-04-26 14:25                 ` Chris Lalancette
2010-04-26 14:34                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-26 14:54                     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-04-26 15:08                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-04-26 15:20                         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-04-26 15:55                           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-04-23 18:29             ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] " Anthony Liguori
2010-04-24  9:46               ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-25  3:39                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-04-25 11:51                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-26  1:53                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-04-26  5:56                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-26  9:56                         ` [libvirt] [Qemu-devel] " Matthias Bolte
2010-04-26 13:14                         ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] " Anthony Liguori
2010-04-26 13:41                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-26 13:46                             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-04-26 13:53                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-26 13:58                               ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-04-26 14:26                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-04-26 14:32                                   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-04-26  9:59                       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-04-26 13:13                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-04-26 13:31                           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-04-26 13:43                             ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2010-04-26 14:01                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-26 14:19                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-04-26 14:25                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-26 14:28                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-04-26 14:38                                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-26 14:48                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-04-26 14:51                                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-23 14:34           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-04-23 15:43           ` Markus Armbruster
2010-04-22 18:45   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-04-22 19:10     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-04-23 10:28     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-04-23 13:40       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-04-23 14:21         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-04-23 18:33           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-04-25 14:50             ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-26 13:14               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-04-09 20:07 ` Eric Blake

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