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From: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
	Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	Luiz Capitulino <lcapitulino@redhat.com>
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 3/8] Add QBuffer
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 09:57:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BF0F6D3.8020803@siemens.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4BF0F437.6040302@redhat.com>

Avi Kivity wrote:
> On 05/17/2010 10:40 AM, Jan Kiszka wrote:
>>> The alternative is to have a schema.  Sun RPC/XDR doesn't carry any type
>>> information (you can't even distinguish between a number and text) yet C
>>> clients have to problem extracting typed information from it.
>>>
>>> Having __class__ everywhere means we're carrying the schema in every
>>> message instead of just once.
>>>      
>> The device_show command is already an example where you don't have a
>> predefined schema. It is derived from the data stream the encodes the
>> vmstate fields. So far we have no collision between base64-encoded
>> buffers and real strings, but this may actually change when we start
>> annotating the fields with symbolic constants.
>>    
> 
> What is the receiver to do with it?
> 
> If it doesn't know the schema (and there is no schema), then all it can 
> do is display the key/values.  If it does know the schema, then 
> __class__ is unnecessary.

There is a schema describing the fields (name, size, number of
elements), but their types (int, buffer, sub-field, array of X) are
derived from the JSON objects (ie. the JSON parser does this job).

> 
> My worry is that __class__ will make the protocol more ad-hoc.
> 
>> I really don't see the problem with __class__. Being a text protocol,
>> JSON is already fairly verbose.
>>    
> 
> The problem is not the verbosity, it's that information is carried too 
> late.  Many clients want to know this information at compile time or 
> initialization time, and we are providing it at object instantiating time.

What clients do you have in mind?

Jan

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-05-17  7:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-14 13:20 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/8] Basic device state visualization Jan Kiszka
2010-05-14 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/8] qdev: Allow device addressing via 'driver.instance' Jan Kiszka
2010-05-18 12:15   ` Markus Armbruster
2010-05-18 12:31     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-05-18 12:38       ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2010-05-18 13:06         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-05-18 16:54       ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-19  8:29       ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2010-05-14 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/8] Add base64 encoder/decoder Jan Kiszka
2010-05-14 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/8] Add QBuffer Jan Kiszka
2010-05-14 18:15   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-15  8:45     ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2010-05-15  8:49       ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-15  8:59         ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-15 17:31           ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-16  9:37             ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-05-16  9:50               ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-16 10:15                 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-16 10:16                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-05-16 10:49                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-16 10:04             ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-16 17:38     ` [Qemu-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2010-05-16 18:03       ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2010-05-17 20:20         ` Jamie Lokier
2010-05-17  0:12       ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2010-05-17  6:48         ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-17  7:40           ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2010-05-17  7:45             ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-17  7:57               ` Jan Kiszka [this message]
2010-05-17  8:10                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-17  8:13                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-17  8:55                   ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-17  8:59                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-17  9:17                       ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-17  9:29                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-18 12:27                     ` Markus Armbruster
2010-05-18 17:24                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-17 13:05               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-18 12:28                 ` Markus Armbruster
2010-05-14 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/8] monitor: Add basic device state visualization Jan Kiszka
2010-05-18 12:12   ` Markus Armbruster
2010-05-18 17:09     ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2010-05-14 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 5/8] qmp: Teach basic capability negotiation to python example Jan Kiszka
2010-05-14 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 6/8] qmp: Fix python helper /wrt long return strings Jan Kiszka
2010-05-14 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 7/8] Add QLIST_INSERT_TAIL Jan Kiszka
2010-05-16  9:38   ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2010-05-16 10:16     ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-14 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 8/8] qdev: Add new devices/buses at the tail Jan Kiszka
2010-05-14 16:12 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 0/8] Basic device state visualization Avi Kivity
2010-05-14 16:24   ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-14 16:38     ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-14 18:16 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2010-05-14 18:50 ` Blue Swirl

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